If Warmth Is a Distortion, Why Do So Many Audiophiles Still Defend It?


Hi everyone, this is my first post here. If it stirs some emotions — that’s not a bad thing. It means we’re all still passionate about this hobby.

As AI becomes capable of recreating any sound signature — warm, tube-like, analogue, ultra-wide, hyper-detailed, and everything in between — I’m starting to think the real future of audio lies in neutral, transparent, dynamic, and accurate hardware, while many of the “flavours” we chase may soon become software choices.

Over time, a few things have stood out to me:

• Warmth is pleasant, but it’s still coloration.
Beautiful, yes — but not accuracy, not transparency, and not always the artist’s intention.

• Warm gear enhances some tracks but softens accuracy in others.
Especially vocals, piano, violin, guitar, and other acoustic instruments. Some people hear this, some don’t, and some just prefer it that way.

• Modern Class D deserves more respect than it gets.
Many older audiophiles dismiss it based on outdated assumptions. But the latest designs are already extremely neutral, fast, and precise. I’m not sure how much longer Class A/AB will remain relevant beyond nostalgia and brand loyalty.

• Price reflects real quality only up to a point.
Beyond that, it becomes about branding, house sound, and personal bias. Preference is fine — but preference isn’t the same as absolute fidelity.


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⭐ Why I May Not Respond Immediately

This post is meant as a sharing of thoughts, not a debate I plan to defend point by point.
If I don’t reply right away, it’s because I’m taking time to read, think, and learn from others’ perspectives here.

Posting in good faith — looking forward to all views, supportive or critical.

hkcharlie

This is true for sure but do not explain why no recordings playback listenings situation can be deemed ideal for  all...

People are so focused on gear instead of acoustics they reduced "timbre" many constitutive factors to a sum of  gear colors added to the color of an instrument, which cannot exist  anyway out of any room (hall,studio,listener room ) ... Our music dont come from a gramophone in the jungle room or in the Sahara room or Antartica ice room ...

The truth is timbre perception and spatial cues, are always linked , recorded or not in your own room or in Nature, and they  play the first role...Not the gear coloring or distorted hues only ...

 

«Half truth are useful like one leg to describe walking pace»Anonymus one-legged frog cool

 

 

There is no "HiFI" system that is not coloured in some way.

 

@viber6 @devinplombier 

Thanks for the update on the NIOSH app. Before recommending it on this forum I did check to see if it is also available on Android phones. This search listed it fourth of five apps for Android phones: Android user apps for sound level meter - Search

If that search result is erroneous there are a number of sound level apps available for Android phones, many free and some costing a few dollars. Simply input "sound level meter" into your phone's app store. 

The advantage of the NIOSH app (at least on iPhones) is that it complies with the Type 2 requirements of the IEC 61672 standard for measurements within +/- 2 dBA. So, it is more or less accurate. That said, any readings may vary based upon a host of considerations - equipment, room acoustics, distance from the loudspeaker as well as position of the phone mic, etc.

This is why I suggested that results are simply qualitative showing relative general loudness and duration. For better measurements you'll want to have a calibrated mic and software, and compliance to the extent possible to one of the published protocols, perhaps one of those available from the AES. 

While I used to really enjoy trying to do the kinds of measurements you read about engineers doing, I am now in retirement and occasionally enjoy just sitting in my chair with my phone while listening and watching the numbers change. One puzzling mystery encountered from this is how I consistently get readings of 20 - 30 db in the early morning when the house is absolutely totally silent to my hearing! 

This same comparison test with any line stage showed obvious veiling added by the line stage.  And yes, the veiling added warmth.  So that experiment showed that any added electronic stage colors the sound with added veiling.  My own experiment at home without the line stage showed the same thing, as I previously described.

@viber6 I'm not contesting what you heard; I've heard the same thing on occasion. But to conclude that just because you had two experiences that went a certain way that they all go that way is to entertain a logical fallacy called 'limited sample size'. IOW it doesn't always go as you described and I explained why. If you have a competent line stage driving the interconnect you may find its very different.

However, if the sound is 'thin', when the bass is restored it will sound warmer due to the ear's internal 'tone control' perception. 

IOW I think you may benefit looking into this a bit more.

Before recommending [the NIOSH app] on this forum I did check to see if it is also available on Android phones. This search listed it fourth of five apps for Android phones: Android user apps for sound level meter - Search

@sargonicuse 

Congratulations! You have successfully demonstrated AI is dead wrong sometimes and sources should always be checked.

Try looking for the NIOSH app in Google Play instead, and see for yourself that it is not there.

 

@devinplombier @viber6 

Thanks, but I'm going to pass. I didn't use AI. I used the Bing web search engine in Microsoft Edge which itself might use AI, but doing a direct AI search was not my intention.

FWIW, if interested I found this paper from the journal Applied Acoustics which provides a "sound" (no pun intended) reason why the NIOSH app doesn't work on Android phones:

Smartphone-based sound level measurement apps: Evaluation of compliance with international sound level meter standards - ScienceDirect

As stated, there are plenty of fine alternatives for Android phone owners. 

Best.