What innovative, unconventional cartridge designs can you recommend?


Most cartridges have a stylus and cantilever where the transducer (magnet, iron or coil) sits on the far end of the cantilever.  What other designs are there?

I am mindful of two designs which put the business end right on top of the stylus.  The first is the moving coil (MC) Audio Technica AT-ART1000 which places two tiny coils, each 0.9-mm diameter, with eight turns of wire directly above the stylus.  Australian price is about AUD-7000 and there apparently is a newer model, slightly less exxe. the ART1000X.  This has square coils for a bit more output, and threaded mounting holes.

A downside is that stylus replacement involves a factory maintenance program and the Australian website page describing this service does not exist.

Another design is optical, exemplified by DS Audio's range.  While these still need a stylus to trace the groove, the signal is produced by reading the intensity of light produced by a Light Emitting Diode (LED) hitting two sensors.  Between the LED and the sensors are two 'shades' mounted above the stylus which change the amount of light as the stylus vibrates.  These cartridges need a special "photo-stage" to replace the conventional phono-stage which is an additional expense.

Australian prices including photo-stages range from AUD-2,150 for the DS-E1 to the DS Master 3 at approximately AUD-40,800, which is a bit outside my price range!  Where is the sweet spot?

What other way-out designs are there?

richardbrand

I’ve never seen or heard one, and it’s way over what I would spend, but I am always curious. It took me a while, but I finally found this about the DS-W3 Line Contact Stylus on Boron Cantilever:

"The specified VTF is between 1.85 and 2.05 grams, with 1.95 grams recommended."

of course, that makes friction, so inner skate will occur, and anti-skate is needed just like any other stylus.

The stylus life with equal friction cannot be any longer than a conventional MM or MC Line Contact/Boron tracking at 1.95g, correct?

So, you still have the caution of getting an advanced shape’s VTA, SRA, Azimuth, Zenith all correct and the need for ’at best an approximation’ of anti-skate still exist before you go to the optical method of reading the groove info.

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This ad was for an early optical cartridge, which somehow promised 10x the life of other cartridges, now an ANALOG Optical System, no groove contact, no friction, why hasn’t someone figured that out.

found in this review of the DS-W3 in Stereophile

https://www.stereophile.com/content/spin-doctor-11-alternative-phono-cartridge-technologies-and-ds-audio-ds-w3-optical

 

 

@elliottbnewcombjr 

that makes friction, so inner skate will occur, and anti-skate is needed just like any other stylus.

The stylus life with equal friction cannot be any longer than a conventional MM or MC Line Contact/Boron tracking at 1.95g, correct?

So, you still have the caution of getting an advanced shape’s VTA, SRA, Azimuth, Zenith all correct and the need for ’at best an approximation’ of anti-skate still exist before you go to the optical method of reading the groove info.

Your first statement about anti-skate is not true for tangential tracking systems. In reality, I am exploring options for a cartridge for my new Holbo air-bearing system!

This is a theoretical comment, but it seems that the effective mass of the stylus is reduced because it does not have to swing magnets, iron, or coils, which should reduce the sidewall pressure.

I think it is important to note that the optical method in the DS Audio cartridges does not directly read the groove info.

Here's another thought.

The DS Audio equalisers are interchangeable, I believe, so my current thoughts for an affordable combination would be the cheapest equaliser from the DS-E3 with the cartridge from the DS003.  This combination is about the same price as the ART-1000X.

you are correct, I should have said, for PIVOTED arms.

hopefully everyone knows there is no inner skate, thus no anti-skate needed for linear tracking arms, one of the primary advantages, as well as the angle of the stylus is straight/tangential to each and every spot on each and every groove, whereas a pivoted arm, traversing an arc, is wrong most of the time, only perfectly straight at the two null points of that arc.

In all cases, linear of pivoted, tracking at 1.95g is the same amount of friction, so the stylus life will not be longer than expected for a MM, a MC, a DS-W3, correct?

except

I can imagine a case that says Linear Tracking wear is LESS than Pivoted Tracking Wear because Anti-Skate is NEVER perfect in a Pivoted arm, if ’At Best an Approximation’, then a percentage of error could be assumed, which ought to result in faster wear

Anybody read anything about it?

OP, others, sorry, my brain has been stuck in anti-skate for a while now.

@kennyc 

Seems significantly superior to the DS003. The noise floor is lower, magnetic hysteresis is nonexistent, Sonics are neutral

I have not found any reviews so far comparing DS Audio models.  Do you have any references?  Thanks in advance