How do I choose a phono preamp?


I’ve not owned a turntable in almost 40 years and want to start listening to vinyl again.  Im starting from scratch and hope to get guidance on how to select a preamp and table that will likely be the last one I own.  My current equipment includes and BAT VK-60, an Eversolo A8 Streamer, a BAT VK-52SE preamp, a Revox Reel to Reel and a pair of Martin Logan CLS-1s.  I will soon be adding a second VK-60 and will convert the amps to mono.  

I know nothing about phono preamp, turntables, or cartridges.  Where do I start?  Budget is around $15k USD for all and I don’t mind purchasing used equipment.  I’d appreciate any thoughts.  

patrickalston

@thecarpathian - That's my plan + I'm looking at at VK-P12SE.

@kennyc - It's likely out of budget, but I'm keeping an open mind.  (I can't let my eyes get bigger than my wallet)

@pindac - thank you for the information

@elliottbnewcombjr - I was introduced to Thorens in the 80s, but was a starving student.at the time.

@ghdprentice - Not to get oo far off-topic, but I'm not sure what my next step up to improve my streaming leg  from the DMP A8 without spending 10x - 15x, but I'm open to exploring that down the road.  It's an obvious next step after I get through my turntable drama. 

 

@wspohn - I will keep the CLSs forever. At some point, when I want to go deep, I'll add a Martin Logan sub.  

 

 

 

The problem with buying new is that it is too damned expensive if your ear is educated to better sound. I am currently using a VPI Prime Signature 21 with a VPI Shyla cartridge. An Audio Research PH-7 phono preamp. I just tried out an Audionet PAM 2 preamp (15 years old) and I was literally floored. I couldn't stop listening to records. I will reeplace the PH-7 with something that has the clarity, depth, warmth, and fluidity of the Audionet. I hope! Because I cannot afford $10,000 plus new for something of the Audionet's bliss. 

The problem buying used is that if you buy online you can't hear it first. So, you have to do research. For example, when I upgraded from an ARC PH-3 to the PH-7, I knew I liked ARC phono preamps, so I researched their entire line. I've owned ARC Reference preamps, so I know their sound. Perhpas you might feel the same way about BAT.

I decided the ARC PH-7 was what I could afford and would give me the best sound for my $. I couldn't find one for sale in the United States. I called every Audio Research dealer listed on their dealer list. Then I began calling Canada and I found one. And I have loved it much over many years. But having heard the Audionet, I know the clarity and detail I am missing.

There are many brands that are known for solid "honest" turntables. VPI is one, but a whole bunch of people are going to jump in here now and tell you other solid brands.

If I had $15K, I'd probably spend about $8K on a new turntable and arm. Around $1500 on a decent cartridge. Maybe $500 on cables. Then the other $5,000 on a good used phono preamp. I am more inclined to buy electronics used than turntables. But that's just me. I once bought a used VPI TNT 3 and kept it for years, but VPI makes very solid turntables.

Again, I'd research the brands that are always well reviewed and begin looking at those brands and perhaps deciding on a model. Most dealers don't carry a very big stock of analogue equipment, so you might end up buying everything online, and you information will have to come from reviews. 

It sounds like a fun adventure. Good luck!

 

I finally purchased a table and settled on a Feickert Volare 25th Edition.  My original plan was to purchase a Feickert Trio (a one-armed version of the Firebird), but I decided to slow down to see if vinyl is a path to go down.  My investment is modest compared to the Trio which would've put me around my $15k budget.  The Volare 25 with its two motors is a step up from the standard version and it has a bigger footprint.  Cartridge is a Hana ML. 

Now, I just need a phono stage and would like to find a used BAT VK-P10SE or VK-12SE (if only to match my other BAT gear).  I look forward to listening through boxes of unopened albums, but don't want to get too deep into vinyl until I'm sure that I want to go down this rabbit hole.  (If not, I'll sell the rig and focus on my streaming game.)