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Striking a balance between musicality and resolution

As my years and experience in this hobby continue to grow I notice a divergence between those seeking extreme resolution and detail from their music reproduction systems and those in search of maximum musicality.

In theory, high-end audio systems should provide more than garden variety stereo systems. In my view that means more detail and information should be heard from a high-end music reproduction system than one hears from ordinary HiFi stereo systems set ups. BUT is there such thing as too much resolution and detail in a stereo system’s sound presentation?

Some people feel that a less detailed presentation that is easier for your brain to process has better flow and provides more enjoyable listening.

So there is the dichotomy. Should one pay more to hear less? Can a frequency response performance that is curtailed at both frequency extremes be desired and praised?

Those that seek a “more musical” presentation usually point to their belief that that is how they hear live un-amplified acoustic music in the real world. In nature, high frequencies attenuate and decay with distance from the source and sound waves get absorbed, diffracted, reflected, and diffused by the environmental factors and landscapes; so they are not wrong in stating that in the real world the sound of music is less detailed and extended. The issue is that when we listen to our music reproduction systems at home we are not listening to live un-amplified music in a concert venue, but rather professionally produced audio recordings typically recorded with close-microphones techniques.

So the question is, do we want our systems to reproduce the sound on the commercial audio recordings accurately or does one want hear the sound the way one thinks that it should sound?

Lucky for me, I have enough systems at home that I have been able to design, set up, and tune them for different targeted resultant sound, sound presentation, and sound qualities. For instance, my OKTAN6 ultimate horn system is a dissecting microscope, my Pinnacle horn system aims at extreme musicality, and my WAAR reference system is a chameleon, which can be adjusted to sound exactly how you want it to sound in real-time.

My “test-bed” system takes on the sound character and sound qualities of the components in use and it is excellent for evaluating what new components have to offer or bring to the table in terms of sound qualities. But with the Acapella TW-1S ION plasma super-tweeters extending the high frequencies, the TBI Emperor subwoofers extending the low frequencies, and the highly detailed & nuanced Digital Audio Denmark AX24 DSD dac streaming HQPLAYER as the source, the “Test Bed” system is a highly resolving system.

As with everything else in life, is there a happy medium or compromise that gives you the best of those worlds? I believe that there is and that great music reproduction systems can be tuned to strike a balance between musicality and resolution. If one listens to the evolution of my OKTAN6 ultimate horn system for instance you can hear that the fine tuning is driving the sound in that direction.

So during last night’s listening session I adjusted the sound of my “Test Bed” system to a more musical sound presentation. The “Test Bed” system is always in flux so it allows me to experiment, explore, tweak, tune, and have fun with it.

Here is an audio recording from last night’s listening session that captures the revised sound presentation and conveys the sound qualities that exemplify a more organic sound versus a more delineated & resolved sound presentation:
 

The Way It Goes

 

carlos269
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mahgister
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Great post!

I think as yopu that the room must be controlled to serve the system/speakers and our own ears/brain...

When i listen i want to feel the acoustics information from the live event  translated by the trade-off choices perspectives of the recording engineer and perceive them in my room "resonating" conditions around me not in front of me between the speakers plane ..I had this in my first room...not in my smaller one now in nearfield listening so good it is...

The same is true for headphone, which i dislike generally, because very few are speaker like with an out of the head perception (The K340 optimized do it well ) ...

 

There are two schools of thought; those that want to be transported to the venue, whether it be a live performance or in the recording studio...,

and those who want to transport the venue to their listening room.

I am of the latter, and this is largely dictated by the room which is close to 5,000 cu ft.  And, though symmetrical, with the exception of the two openings to one corner, the shape does not lend itself to optimal acoustics.  Some have said that they have never been able to tame such a room.

"If you can’t beat them, join them."

 

 

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mahgister
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I forget to say that i like the sound i can perceive of these speakers through my system...

 My OKTAN6 ultimate horn system is a six-way system where each driver and horn is well within their specified design parameters for the range of the frequency spectrum assigned to each of them. The super-tweeters are good to 30KHz.

 

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audio-b-dog
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@carlos269 u

Most of the music I listen to is well recorded. Almost all my classical is, even albums from the sixties. Jazz is often decently recorded, although sometimes live recordings tend to be flat-sounding. Coltrane's great recording of "My Favorite Things" from "Selflessness" is very bright analogue recording. Not being a recording engineer I don't understand why.

When I'm streaming (often classical) I look for Hi Res recordings and they are not as flat as lesser recordings. But I have also learned "willful suspension of disbelief" so I am able to enjoy CD quality sound. And some CD's do sound damn good. Whether you like her or not, Diana Krall CDs are excellently recorded. 

I am at my computer in the mornings and I listen to my turntable. No doubt, a record is simply more present. In the afternoons I stream music on a Moon 280D, Moon's least expensive streamer, but it is very musical and that's the most important thing to me.

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We dont listen to lived music in our room...And we cannot and must not try this...it will be a mess of sound ...

 We listen in our room  to a recording  perspective depending of the trade-off choices of the recording engineer, we listen  to the recorded  timbre instruments from a specific location chosen by the sound engineer, one among  many possible  and we listen to the spatial cues  which are recorded by the sound engineer and optimized by mixing...Our system/room can be or cannot be able to translate these spatial cues in a clear experience or in a mess ...

If our system/room is under acoustics controls by the right balance between reflection/absorption/diffusion and mechanical controls of the room (in my case it was by tuned resonators) , or/and with  DSP ( for example, REW,  Choueiri filters etc )  we are then able to retrieve these spatial cues which are necessary also for a better timbre experience of what was recorded ...

Going to a lived event and thinking that our system can create it in our living room is deceptive illusion ...

What we can create in our living room is an optimal acoustic translation of the sound engineer perspective (choice of mics , location etc ) and trade-off ...

 We can as Carlos be a master in modifying speakers and system, kudos to him, it cannot replace room acoustic controls nor suppress its necessity for an audiophile experience..

 A live event has no direct relation with playback...The relation is the recording choices of the engineer who record it  as it is conveyed  to ourself by  our chosen  acoustically controlled or uncontrolled  system/room ..

A system able to deliver spatial cues is not "analytical"  it is a TOP room /system...

Analytical means: lack of musicality by details excess often artificial one with no organic realist timbre .. Pin pointing instrument is not  details, it is one of the factor implied by the concept of immersivity in acoustics...

So, I find overly analytical systems that pinpoint instruments in space to be an artifact of a stereo system. Its sound does not at all reflect the live music I have listened to.

 

 

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When I was in collage, Cerwin Vega or JBL made the speakers you just had to have. There was A lot of punch and some accentuated areas to add To the zing. Even with tubes, they were great at parties, but not so with classical. Now my tastes demand clarity, warmth and presence.  Both my preamp and amps have tube input sections and my speakers have silk tweeters. I wonder what my tastes will be in another 20 years?

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