2020 update : JC Verdier La Platine


A recent encounter with a JC Verdier dealer as well as a recent Audiogon discussion thread led to the start of this thread. He was in my house updating my La Platine which had been in storage for ten years with thread and oil. While he has high regards for the deck, his newer clients nevertheless prefer a Techdas iii than an 'old' La Platine. Given the proliferation of expensive decks in the past dozen years, La Platine has become very much under-appreciated. 

It's clear to me that the influence of the La Platine is everywhere to be found. Specifically, the magnetic suspension system that was employed 30+ years ago. Even SOTA offers their newer decks with mag. lev. features. And if you read this review: https://www.callas-audio.nl/Callas%20Platine%20Mod%20Kit%20Review.pdf, the Continuum Caliburn uses the same concept, which was not acknowledged in Fremer's review, albeit with more sophisticated , and expensive, execution.

It is also clear to me that there is much misunderstanding of the workings of the La Platine. I for one have contributed to this. The motor of the La Platine, for example, has been much maligned. The thread drive is another aspect of the turntable that have been described as inferior. With regard to the motor and thread drive, I have been set straight by Chris @ct0517 and Lyubomir @lbelchev. Experimenting with the different types of silk threads, the tightness to the platter  and a renewed understanding of the soundness of the Philips motor have been rewarded with better dynamics and transparency. 

The funny thing is that during the past two years of re-engagement with audio, I have questioned ownership of every components in my arsenal except the La Platine. It has always been a keeper. I wonder if La Platine owners would contribute to celebrating this 'old' deck with tales, advice, and insights?

Cheers!
ledoux1238

@dover i find your comment quite difficult to parse.  what do you mean?  because what is under the isolation platform is a solid but otherwise pretty standard credenza.

Credenzas are typically a conglomeration of complex uncontrolled resonances.

They are usually the worst type of furniture for a turntable. That’s why Linn promoted light rigid TT stands all those years ago. If they are solid wood, they still have uncontrolled panel resonances, if they have MDF or HDF then your TT is sitting on weetbix.

Light frames don’t store as much energy, and therefore the resonances are easier to control.

Racks are really a nightmare for any audiophile, because there is no perfect rack.

Most use combinations of materials to control resonances and vibrations from the floor.

I don’t like steel because it is magnetic

I don’t like aluminium because aluminium can cause hysteresis distortion with electrical signals.

Wood has resonances.

If I was a gazillionaire I would probably get something made from bronze/copper/carbonfiber composite.

I think if you get rid of the credenza, even a basic rigid steel audio rack will improve the sound quite substantially, you can play around with footers, provided it is rigid.

With my reference TT which weighs 130kg - I currently have it on a rigid steel rack sitting on 2ft thick concrete slab floor sitting on scoria/ground. No lossy materials, I want all energy running to ground. The key is rigidity and direct path to ground. The TT has no suspension, not required by design.

When I had a house with a sprung wooden floor, I put additional vertical beams in a structural wall  and hung it on the wall. 2 men could jump on the wall shelf - no movement.

My second TT ( Garrard 301 which replaced the Verdier ) sits on a Symposium Foundation Ultra rack which seems pretty good without spending a fortune - it is very dead. I’ve heard both a Kuzma M and various Garrards on it - all with excellent results. My reference TT is too heavy for most standard racks.

I am spending a Proportion of my time visiting a Thread that has a certain appeal, as it shares an interest where mechanical interfaces are being investigated / work with on a TT.

Reports on where value has been found is where I shlow my interest.

How the TT is mounted is a mechanical interface, when this is considered, is when the 'X' Factor can become more than the sum of parts, a new and unimagined tidiness to the End Sound manifests.

Methods used for mounting a TT, when addressed, can substantially extend the good impressions of other work carried out.  Alternatively the mounting method is a good practice, resulting in a much tidier and gathered End Sound. 

I have no dog in the fight, but experiences compel me to make the suggestion about considering how the TT is supported.

Considering costs $00.00, but what can be learned will be off great value. It is worth mentioning in recent years very established Vinyl users on the Gon, have had profound experiences as a result of making simple changes to methods used for mounting a TT. 

A basic description of a basic structure design for a Timber Cabinet in use as a Sub Supporting structure for a TT. Where the Stylus is the concern when in contact with LP groove modulus, Can be stated, the structure is more akin to a Drum Skin. Both ambient energy transferal and the TT in use energy transferal are more than capable of generating amplitude in the cabinets structure that will be a negative influence on the Stylus whilst extracting modulus data being sent to become End Sound. 

For heavy, non-suspended TTs, I like to use this kind of air-suspended optical tables!
 

@thekong 

That may be ok if you have structural floor problems but it is suboptimal.

You cannot measure the groove accurately if the TT is bouncing around on an airbag.

As an experiment, stand on top of a bed with an innerspring mattress under your feet and try to measure accurately the height of the ceiling with a tape measure in your hand. You'll never get the same reading twice.

Let's agree that there is not a static surface anywhere on planet earth. Everything is vibrating / moving against everything else. Therefore there is a flaw with @dover 's airbag / mattress analogy. The purpose of the optical table or any such devices is to counteract the vibration from the floor surface with its own vibration. The net result is  less vibration. It cannot be zero vibration, just less. The lesser vibration  will allow instruments sitting on top of it to perform highly accurate measurements. The accuracy level required and achieved is many order of magnitude greater than the pitiful toys we play with called the turntable. we can debate the efficacy of the particular optical table in question. But the principle behind these devices is sound, no?

Not to belabor the point, but a more accurate analogy : the mattress is analogous to the floor. The optical table rest on the mattress. With the oprical table functioning properly, the person on top of  the table should be able to make a more accurate measurement of the ceiling height.