Stylus/cantilever stiff and noisy--WARNING!


If you can hear the music from the needle (at the needle/cart) when volume is minimized, cue the tonearm up as soon as possible.

The suspension elastomer on the stylus has stiffened up and will not only sound poorer but can damage the grooves because of lack of compliance.

I've had this happen a few times and it seems to happen very quickly. Literally, a week or two after last playback.

This usually happens with older styli or new-old-stock styli or carts.

I was able to get a an ADC (1977) stylus working after a wd40 treatment (this is common "cure" for the issue). But the problem came back very quickly.

A "feel" test (fingers on stylus) might  also help get the "feeling" for good compliance vs. bad.

I had this happen again on some new-old-stock Shure replacement styli.

I'm not certain if there is some sort of test or "rule of thumb" that us vinylphiles can use to:

(a) ascertain it is indeed elastomer/suspension related

(b) gauge the ORIGINAL mechanical compliance of the stylus.

Maybe comments related to following might be useful :

Shure , Stanton or Pickering stylus are stiffer than other manufs.

DJ cantilevers are stiff.

Mass of tonearm vs stylus compliance.

Thx!

hollowman

As stated on prior occasions: Cart’s are fragile. which exposes them to deterioration from both exposure to an environment and from typical usage.

Either types of deterioration are unavoidable, where the only measures to minimise the loss of optimisation, would be to use the Cart’ frugally and Vacuum Chamber store with no UV exposure. 

The Heyday of Vinyl has Co habited with endless research from qualified research entities, to make known what damages a Vinyl LP and accelerates Cart’/Styli wear. 

Pretty much correct geometries, force and clean source material is plenty enough to keep all in fine fettle. 

Recently I have shared a report which strongly suggests Ortofon have Damper materials in use that are showing they have properties that are with longevity in maintaining fit for purpose.

Another report from myself, where the source is a very experienced individual in Cart’ refurb, flags up a issue with a  Brands currently available Cart’s that are claimed to have a Damper material that deteriorates very speedily, to the point the Cantilever interface is far from how the factory interface was produced.

New Cart’s with a large price tag, deteriorating at a speedy rate, would be sensible to avoid. 

Olden Cart’s even if NOS Olden are exposed to deterioration! 

The user of such a Cart’ has options on how they are to proceed with using it. I am an advocate of Cart’ refurbishment, and strongly suggest that a more than satisfactory outcome is able to be the end result. 

Is the OP leaning towards Damper replacement is something to be prioritised, when having a particular Cart’ type in use?

 

 

@hollowman 

anyone have to adjust their VTF because they are above 7,000 ft seal levels?

We have some pretty noticeable wildlife down-under, including extensive seal colonies.  One big seal even lives on the Sydney Opera House harbour steps.  But 7,000 ft is huge ...

In the very early days of 78s, the stylus assembly was the only transducer, and fed directly into a horn arrangement to amplify the sound.

Notewothy was a patent by Percy Wilson, the technical editor of the Gramophone Magazine, for a tangential tonearm carrying a 6' horn, floating on two baths of liquid mercury.

@hollowman 

anyone have to adjust their VTF because they are above 7,000 ft seal levels?

Just in case you were asking about sea levels, the radius of the earth is about 20 million feet.  Gravity drops off as the inverse square of distance so will be about 0.007% lower at 7,000 feet compared with where the seals live.  Gravity is what determines the Stylus Rake Angle which is unlikely to be noticeably affected by such a minute change in Vertical Tracking Force. 

If you are worried about Vertical Tracking Angle, get a tangential tonearm because Horizontal Tracking Error is just as important as Vertical Tracking Error (on stereo records).

My Take

I head this sound coming from some of LP but NOT all, or maybe I don't hear it as loud. also, as another poster above said, it seemed to dampen when i have my clamp on. 

so, it seems it comes from the record itself as not all LP does it for me. 

that is my observation