Possible purchase of the first turntable


Good morning everyone,

I have the following systems:

Source: Marantz SACD 30n
Amp: Arcam FMJ A32
Speakers: Self-built

The Marantz SACD 30n player, I bought it recently as an upgrade from an old Marantz NA8005 player.

When lately I did various listens between speakers and amplifiers, I noticed as I already knew that as the price goes up, the improvements start to feel exponentially less and less.

I think now that we have reached a point where spending double or triple to feel differences happens to change not a single component but at least two, this means that by now there are obvious bottlenecks.

I am convinced that in my case the bottlenecks are 3:

1) Listening environment not acoustically treated and location of speakers with tradeoffs although acceptable
2) Digital masters are sometimes of lower quality than analog vinyl (or vice versa)
3) Digital sound despite its superiority, lacks that touch of naturalness that distinguishes analog. There is no real winner

Even spending several tens of thousands of euros, there would always be these trade-offs that alone would make it almost pointless to even spend crazy figures.

Then I thought a theoretically crazy thing:

Why do I necessarily have to choose between owning digital and analog ? Can't you have both?

Making some rough estimates, a figure came out not recently that may not be enough.

The basic idea is to have two sources: a digital (like my Marantz SACD 30n of which I am very satisfied) and an analogue not of inferior quality but equivalent, to be used in a complementary way and not in replacement.

To the cost of the analog source I should also add the purchase of discs since I practically do not have and therefore at least fifty should buy them as a minimum.

To try to equalize in qualitative terms Marantz thought of something like:

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Turntables: Technics SL-1300G
Cartridge: Nagaoka MP-500
Pre-Phono: Musical Fidelity MX-VYNL
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To save money, I'll buy it at the used market, but one piece at a time when I get the right opportunity, I'm not in a hurry.

But I have some doubts that a source of this type can not compete with the Marantz SACD 30n that costs 3000 Euros and has a sound very close to a vinyl, even being digital.

The last time I listened to a vinyl was over 30 years ago was the famous Technics SL-1200 of that era, so I do not know how much it takes economically to have an analog source of a certain level to human figures.

The question is: is it right for me to go this way ? or not because to get what I'm looking for I should spend more and not less ?

What do you think ?

marco777

I have to agree in principle in part with @ghdprentice.  I have a very expensive vinyl playback system, one approaching six figures, and it can sound better than  digital, but not always.  People get involved with different aspects of audio for different reasons.  If you are looking for the biggest bang for your buck, and reading your OP I am assuming you are, digital is going to give you that.  Vinyl is not the best choice given your apparent priorities. In any event, you are certainly not likely to duplicate the sound quality of your Marantz with the analog system you propose.  In addition to which, you will need a record cleaning machine, records and so on.  Too, how will you respond when you are confronted with a choice between a new recording available as a CD for say $20 or the vinyl version for $40?  Keep in mind you will not know in any given instance which one sounds better.

How having practically every song ever recorded at your fingertip for the cost of an album in 1980 per month, competes with vinyl constantly amazes me. 🪉🎺🪇🥁🪗🎻🎸🪘🪕🎷. 

Of course they are complimentary, I just haven't bothered streaming, and you haven't bothered with Vinyl.

YET!

Since getting my Sony SC5400ES SACD/CD Player, I re-discovered/enjoy my CDs, even bought some new to me used cds, my Vinyl rig is because I had a lot of vinyl, and inherited even more than I had. 

IF you came here, or anywhere, and heard something that convinced you it would be an enjoyable addition to streaming, then you are wise to think long and hard about it before getting started.

I think having a personal hand in the results is a big part of Vinyl.

One thing is true, all sources have things that sound better over others. There is no one size fits all. Some digital sounds like crap, some records sound like crap. 

Sometimes, I'm listing to a record, and think to myself, it's can't possibly sound any better. Then one night I'm streaming, and have the same thought. It's all down to the quality of the source. 

That being said, records are a huge investment, in time, money, storage, more time, and more money. Records need to be stored, sleeved, cleaned... Carts need new needles, also need to be cleaned, same with the TT. It needs to be setup properly, cleaned, maintained. 

Did I tell you records are an investment in time? You got to swap the record every 20min or so, it's all manual. Take the record out of the case, out of the sleeve, put on TT, place needle....

Records, are also becoming expensive. $30-35 is base cost of a new single album. Doubles are $40-50. 

One thing is true, for all this effort, there is something magical about listening to records. There can be something there that is just missing from digital. It keeps me coming back, even though my bank account doesn't like it. 

Yeah but... there’s just something about vinyl. That you can enjoy even with a modest rig. I don’t know.

@marco777 ’s original plan sounded sensible. I’m actually surprised y’all (edit: except @mswale , sort of :) are trying to talk him out of it.