Ehhh, there are reviews and they involve some audio science, but fair enough!
Is ASR for real, or is it only for those sub $1k or even sub $2K?
I did some browsing on the forum and it seems like most don't own very expensive gears. Most of them own mostly sub 1K or 2K gears.
I recently ask about feedback on the Polk R700 but after about a month with no responds. I did a search "ASR Polk R700", with all but one poster which actually owned a pair. Most of them would point you to some measurement and some theoretical discussion but non actually own a pair.
I also looked at a few posts on budget speakers such as the Kef Q7 or Polk R600, but I didn't see any actual owners responding.
I don't mean to knock on them but ASR seems like a lot of hype but very little substance.
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It is not an impenetrable mystery to not confuse and distinguish the use of certain tools with scientific activity as such.(marketing context is not science context) It is not a mystery to note that Amir proposes more than useful measurements for all, to which I have no objection; but when Amir claims conflate his measurements of certain aspects of electronic design as the only objective and exhaustive description of acoustic perception and the process of qualification and interpretation of qualias, it become an ideological and not a scientific act. If we analyze the roots of Amir’s thought as Kunchur did in his critique, we notice his misunderstanding of the foundations of psycho-acoustics and the meaning of the mathematical tools used (well explained by Van Maanen concretely in design questions articles) . In other words, Amir presupposes a theory of hearing subordinated to insufficient tools then a false theory of hearing and more just a non ecological theory of hearing.
When you said that we have no model of hearing now with the right mathematical tools you are right and you repeated Van Maanen points. When you claim that there is more than marketing and interesting verification of design specs by measures in ASR you are wrong because you diplomatically forget or put under the rug their ideology : hearing main problem is already solved , our technology solved it, all there is to do with human perception is to eliminate it from the straight road ahead of us with the "rightful" set of measures we already have here in ASR . Kunchur is less diplomatic calling Amir a "guru" but there is truth here in this qualification ....I call him more politely a marketer of ASR. i am interested by hearing theory which is always a deep mystery for science in spite of technological success, like consciousness mystery escape science in spite of LLM success save for the marketers in need of money and reputation. Wolfram just declared human consciousness is only the result of the Ruliad computation... Then Amir proposal is not just pure acoustics/psycho-acoustics ignorance as Kunchur easily demonstrated or Van Maanen, it is the reflection of the ideology that is dominating our world right now. it is a good idea to replace old audiophiles site as the only trustful to pick gear and evaluating it. I had nothing against Amir marketing and measure, i am against calling this "science". Truth matter.
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@mahgister I think I have to let this word salad go, my man. I still can't tease out any real critique of ASR that would meaningfully impact what he does in terms of reviewing audio equipment. As is always the case, I encourage those who have new and innovative ideas to find ways to express them and change the world, so I look forward to seeing the Mahgister Audio Science Review in the future! |
You can call "word salad" (an insult not an argument) evident facts about ASR claims, this will not change reality... Asking me to create my own marketing scheme is pre-supposing, as Amir do, as solved already what is at the core of this debate : What is audible qualias and why a Fourier theory of hearing cannot do it... ( and i am not competent as Amir compared to me to do it as anyone can guess) Begin here with a competent peers reviewed scientist : «Currently, the design requirements are based on the Fourier theory, applied to human hearing but the Fourier theory is a linear theory, but “The human ear is not a Fourier Transformer"
The name of my site is "Research in the sins of Amir" or RSA... My site is here and i recommend articles and books...
I hope my recommendation of articles has been useful to you and i had more and deeper one by the way under my sleeves ...Thanks for the discussion..
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