bits is bits


Being a retired IT tech, Iʻm a "bits is bits" guy. I keep seeing people rank different  streaming services against each other and I have to say, Iʻm mystified. Modern recordings are all digital masters and remastered. If two different hi-res streaming services, say Qobuz and Tidal, have the same track available, why would one sound different from the other, let alone better?

 

The stream is being fed over TCP/IP from the source, and I see no reason that it you were to do a cksum on the same file/track being delivered by either streaming service, that they would exactly match.  So why do people claim better sound from one streaming source over the other.  Iʻm assuming they are both full resolution sources, not mp3.

russbutton

I have both Qobuz and Tidal-have for years. I wouldn't try to say what sounds universally "best" to someone else- anybody that does that can't possibly know-people have different, individual preferences-I know people who say they prefer Tidal, Qobuz, or Amazon, for that matter and blind tests show that preferences differ. That's no shock, just common sense. 

Personally, I find very little difference. I prefer the Qobuz interface, so use it more but I've heard tracks I thought were best on Tidal. That said, I doubt I could tell the difference in a properly conducted blind test. There is also the issue that any kind of SQ test between music services is useless unless you know you have the exact same versions on each service-the same master, etc. Likely why some tracks sound better on one service-some on another.

I suggest anyone choosing between lossless services pay a lot of attention to which interface you like best-that might dictate which service will give you a better experience and that also is subject to individual preference. If you think there is a significant difference in sound quality-listen for yourself. There is no universal "best" only best for you. 

There's a lot to "unpack" with digital audio. In a nutshell

#1 you can't assume Tidal and Qobuz received the same file in the first place

#2 assume the same TCP/IP packets all arrive to your streamer bit perfect, now look at what happens next from the renderer, DAC, and eventual output.

Same bits, different results

Nope, we can't assume TCP/IP packets all arrive at your streamer bit perfect, they arrive at your modem bit perfect. One's network does affect the encoding of these bits.

We all assume a lot. We assume that all streaming services receive the same source file. That might not be the case. We also forget that until that "music" passes the DAC, it is in fact not music, but a digital file. Any software before the DAC can, and will affect the sound. Like Spotify for instance, has a bass boost over all other services, like a "loudness" that you can't turn off. In the car it's fine, but on my home stereo, it's too much. 

We also assume that all streaming services, use the same software/storage/server/OS etc. They are all different ways to deliver the bits to your DAC. Think all things contribute to slightly different sonic profiles. 

Nope, we can’t assume TCP/IP packets all arrive at your streamer bit perfect, they arrive at your modem bit perfect. One’s network does affect the encoding of these bits.

@sns 

TCP packets remain bit-perfect until they are processed. Since no processing takes place in your home network upstream of your streamer, it follows that TCP packets do arrive at your streamer bit-perfect.

You have to admit, it would be extraordinary that a FLAC file could journey bit-perfect from Romania, or wherever Qobuz’s servers are, to the modem chez SNS only to be irremediably mangled in the two meters of CAT6 cabling that separate SNS’s modem from his streamer. Unless I missed something, which is always a possibility.