@yoyoyaya Jeez, I hate it when that happens! Thanks for the effort, though. I don't disagree with the turntable advice. It's a complicated CFO (wife) issue. Every system upgrade requires a complex well thought out battle plan. She understands the concept of wear on a stylus and the need for refurbishment. I got the green light! To her, the turntable is perfectly fine the way it is. Over the years I have left a few comments about it being the"weak link" in system, etc. Before every upgrade I progressively plead my case that the upgrade will improve the listening experience. Every time I am met with "It already sounds great, I can't imagine it being any better". I am nearing 1500 hours on the Van den Hul and I suspect it will be 3-5 months before I get it back, so the Cart is the current easy sell. The turntable will be the next frontier. Probably too much info, but I think you can see my logic. Also, I queried the internet with AI-wow, what a trove of info. You were right on with the thoughts on gain and the winner on that front is the MSL for sure. With tonearm matching, both were good, the nod going to the Black, but not by much. For total system synergy with the VAC Master and Sig 200's, it seems that the MSL is in the #1 spot. For now. Stay tuned for future developments.