Yet another transimpedance question


Having tried 3 LOMC cartridges (Hana Umami Red, Etsuro Urushi Cobalt Blue and Mutech Hayate) using the Hagerman Piccolo Zero into the mm settings on the Hagerman Trumpet mc…

Would it make any audible difference to switch to a Hagerman Trumpet mm phono stage?

The mc has a jfet front end that does not appear to be bypassed using the mm settings (minimal gain max loading), the mm has no front end like this and is “all tube”.  Gain is 44 db at 47k ohm load.  
 

Opinions please?

 

oceanica

This is why I am a bit confused, if it matters:

"The mc has a non bipassable jfet front end to allow for the ability to vary impedance and gain."  You don't necessarily need a JFET to allow for the ability to vary impedance or gain.  Phono input impedance is largely determined by the size of the resistor between the hot pin (the grid of the input tube or the gate of the input transistor) and ground.

"The jfet also has a 555 chip to increase voltage (internal switching power source)." I thought that a 555 chip is primarily used as a timer, like when you want an LED to flash on and off, by supplying and then alternately cutting a low voltage to the LED, on and off and on and etc. In the Trumpet, it may be used to switch on the B+ and B- voltages with a time delay after the tube filaments are already powered up; this is good practice with tubes. There is very little detail about the PS on the Hagerman website, but there is a hint that it is a switching type, just a hint.

It seems like your real question is whether you should buy the MM version of the Trumpet in order to sample the Piccolo Zero operating into it. Yes? Until now, I had not understood that you would need to buy an entirely different unit. Anyway, I personally would not spend the bucks to do that. But no one here can tell you whether you would be happier with the MM version using the Piccolo Zero, except maybe someone else who has tried the Zero both ways.

@lewm 

Thanks, yes, you are correct on all counts, the way I read it the 55 chip is for the timing/switching functions as you describe (not actual PS, sorry, that was confusing).  I was trying to explain why external LPS didn't make much sense to me since there is what essentially seems to be an internal switching PS in the Trumpet MC.  And, not the jfet is not actually needed for the variability functions, but it is there as a very quiet way to enable that (hope that makes sense?).  My ability to understand and explain these things is (obviously) limited.

At this point I lean toward not spending the $ unless someone responds that they have tried the Piccolo and the Trumpet MM and have heard a significant improvement or difference.  

I know that @mulveling has a Trumpet reference and he might have something to say...

In all cases I know about where a JFET is the input device in a tube phono, it’s simply to increase overall gain of the circuit while adding very little noise. The Herron MC phono is another example.

@oceanica Have you tried the cartridges with a suitable SUT as well as the Picolo?   So far I have always preferred the sound of a LOMC with a good SUT rather than straight into a high-gain phono preamp, whether tube or solid state.  I have never tried a transimpedance preamp so I don’t know how that fits into the options.  However, I have ordered a Hiyate from Thom so I will soon have a cartridge that can be used with a transimpedance preamp so maybe I’ll find out for myself.

@lewm 

Yes, exactly, that is what it does, I only mentioned the 555 chip since eliminating that might allow some benefit to an external LPS, though my understanding about this is very (as you can tell) limited.  Without the jfet (as in the Trumpet MM) one still need to increase the gain...

@salectric 

I really got the Piccolo more out of curiosity since it is inexpensive (a good SUT assuming I find a good match first time, could set me back 5 to 10 times the cost of the Piccolo).  Perhaps in the future I will go the SUT route, though that path is not without its own issues.  I do like the Hayate through the Piccolo better that straight through the Trumpet MC, so we'll see where things go..

Thank you both for your input