2020 update : JC Verdier La Platine


A recent encounter with a JC Verdier dealer as well as a recent Audiogon discussion thread led to the start of this thread. He was in my house updating my La Platine which had been in storage for ten years with thread and oil. While he has high regards for the deck, his newer clients nevertheless prefer a Techdas iii than an 'old' La Platine. Given the proliferation of expensive decks in the past dozen years, La Platine has become very much under-appreciated. 

It's clear to me that the influence of the La Platine is everywhere to be found. Specifically, the magnetic suspension system that was employed 30+ years ago. Even SOTA offers their newer decks with mag. lev. features. And if you read this review: https://www.callas-audio.nl/Callas%20Platine%20Mod%20Kit%20Review.pdf, the Continuum Caliburn uses the same concept, which was not acknowledged in Fremer's review, albeit with more sophisticated , and expensive, execution.

It is also clear to me that there is much misunderstanding of the workings of the La Platine. I for one have contributed to this. The motor of the La Platine, for example, has been much maligned. The thread drive is another aspect of the turntable that have been described as inferior. With regard to the motor and thread drive, I have been set straight by Chris @ct0517 and Lyubomir @lbelchev. Experimenting with the different types of silk threads, the tightness to the platter  and a renewed understanding of the soundness of the Philips motor have been rewarded with better dynamics and transparency. 

The funny thing is that during the past two years of re-engagement with audio, I have questioned ownership of every components in my arsenal except the La Platine. It has always been a keeper. I wonder if La Platine owners would contribute to celebrating this 'old' deck with tales, advice, and insights?

Cheers!
ledoux1238

as of last night i have the motor on the isolation platform with the turntable.  alot of people say the motor should be on the same platform as the turntable.  i must admit i thought it might be a bad idea (noise).  but i can now hear why experts insist on this.  hard to explain i think but certainly what i hear is: more musically coherent, less left brain provoking, more right brain enjoyment.  

 

as soon as i did it i had the odd phenomena of looking at the same record player i have been staring at for months and suddenly perceiving it in a different way.  

@mr_gray On the issue of a common platform for plinth and motor, we can agree it is a good thing. 

Apropos  to your Delos experience which I think you bought for under $500, I put on an Audio Technica AT 170 ML stylus in a AT180 ML body, bought for $450. It’s a MM cartridge, and plays exceeding well. It has almost a tape-like quality, producing eerie amount of venue reverb on live recordings. Its frequency response is a bit touch and go, but bass response is solid. All this on a Jasmine motor and double knot silk thread. 

is everyone using a ball bearing with their la platine or not?  i don’t currently and i am wondering if i should experiment a bit and see what i get if i use one?  i did use to.  alot has changed since then.

also the company who make the AC motor i am using (Premotec) also make a DC motor (as used by Origin Live so i hear) model number "CL29".  i wondered if i shouldn’t buy and try that.  i could install it in the verdier motor housing as a direct replacement for the philips (which is probably 30 years old at this point).  it isn’t expensive (less than $100 USD i would dare say).  i thought it might be interesting as i might get an ability to compare motor solutions that could promote insight.  

 

I do use the ball, and I have tried my best to adjust the spindle so the ball just touches the spindle! I am using a white ceramic ball for now, and once I settled in my new audio room, I’ll start experimenting with black ceramic, tungsten carbide, and even ruby balls!

@thekong 

I  read a review of the Callas La Platine modification kit, where one of the mods is to reduce the magnetic repulsion forces to better control the bass response produce by the La Platine. Presumably, the ball touching the spindle has the same effect of reducing the magnetic force. Is the bass better with the ball in place? What are other benefits to sound quality?