USB DACs, WIndows 11, and newer Intel chipsets


I’ve been successfully using a Meridian Explorer2 DAC on my Windows 10 machine for some years.  However, Microsoft/Intel planned obsolescence forced me to build a new computer because WIndows 11 now requires functions not supported by my otherwise more-than-capable CPU. Sigh.

The new system has a high-end ASUS ROG STRIX Z890-E Wifi Gamer motherboard, based on Intel’s Z890 chipset.  As with most new boards, the UEFI omits options llike CSM (compatibility mode) and Legacy USB support, so it can’t see the DAC (a USB Audio  Class 2.0 device).  I’ve tried every standard solution (toggling XHCI, accessing a USB 2.0 channel in a 5GBps USB port, switching btw Meridian and Windows drivers, etc.) but the bottom lilne is that, like more & more new motherboards, this one does not support legacy USB devices like this known-working DAC. 

Meridian provides no support for its Explorer products ("please contact your distributor").

I have decent desktop speakers -- a pair of classic Sonigistix Monsoon MM-1000 planars -- but this is not a critical audiophile application. However, the mobo’s onboard audio is not an option due to an insurmountable gain mismatch.

After wrestling with this for days, I give up.  I don’t need MQA and the Explorer’s history of compatibility issues convinces me to move on (anyone want an Explorer2 cheap?) 

I’m thinking about something like an Audioquest Cobalt.  But I’m concerned that any older USB DAC may have the same issues.

So I’m not looking for advice re: getting the Explorer2 to work (unless you have some insider knowledge).  I’m just trying to find an under-$500 USB DAC that, with certainty, will work with newer motherboards & chipsets that don’t support Legacy USB operation. 

Does anybody have first-hand experience with ANY such DAC?  Obviously, the more recent the release, the better.

Thanks for any first-hand recommendations.

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"Intel is discouraging OEMs from supporting legacy components.  That kind of attitude was one reason why I never found Apple all that attractive, and now the Microsoft/Intel axis is doing the same thing."

And that royally sux. The rule used to be "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Now it seems to be "If it ain't broke, fix it so it will be."

Hi , I have 3 Schiit DAC’s, an original first gen Yiggy, the original Uber Analog Bifrost and the Modi. I ran them all off Windows 7 , then 10. I found that an upgraded usb from my old laptop to even the Yiggy worked pretty well. I finally had the Gen 2 usb card fail on the Yiggy and refuse to recognize my streamer hence a Gen 5 upgrade. On the cheap look for the older Bifrost as for me I like the sound of the chipset Vs Ess and they can be had for around $200. Cheers , Mike B. 

@devinplombier 

I am so glad that you understand what I was trying to get to. Here is OP's post:

After wrestling with this for days, I give up.  I don’t need MQA and the Explorer’s history of compatibility issues convinces me to move on (anyone want an Explorer2 cheap?)

And based on that, I would think that others would have benefited from the Rufus upgrade. He claims to have 

40 years experience debugging PC hardware -- personally and professionally

And yet could not figure out how to get the Meridian explorer working. If you notice, the fonts on his reply, it looks like he is doing some cut-paste job - based on 2 different fonts in the same reply.

We’ll have to agree to disagree re: whether Audiogon is a credible forum for discussions of "digital" gear.

In his above quote he indicates that I am doubting the credibility of Audiogon. This tells me that he has issues comprehending sentences - because I never doubted the credibility of the forum. My take was that the other site is more technically oriented on the digital side of playback. 

Then he claims to have $50k worth of gear. I am starting to doubt that. But then hey, I can claim to have a secondary system with Tidal Akiras in them. But I won't post my system here 🙂

BTW @devinplombier I did the Windows 10-> 11 upgrade in November 2024. The dates in that article are updated. Point is - even if Microsoft decides to not support systems that were upgraded via Rufus, your desktop is not gong to stop working immediately. All that will happen is that they will not provide any updates to your system. I bring this up because I had read that "deleted" post above and was thinking if people really know how PCs work, in the first place and are unnecessarily resorting to fear-mongering.

@milpai running Windows 11 on a computer that does not have TPM 2.0 is simply an additional risk many are not going to do. Yes, you can hopefully get a few more years life from your investment in a PC or laptop, but you are taking on that slight additional risk. I mean, the improved security is the whole rationale Microsoft is giving for pushing this hardware-based security on people if they want to run Windows 11 after support for Windows 10 goes away. 

I've just enrolled my three machines into the extended Windows 10 update support for free, so I'm OK until October 13, 2026. By then, all my machines will be pretty old (10 years or more) and I'll buy a new one that does run Windows 11 without having to resort to tricks. On my best old PC I'll put LinuxMint and keep using it until the wheels fall off. It'll give me an excuse to try out some of the music software available as an iTunes replacement and see if any are decent. I worry most about losing all the album cover art I've spent a considerable time putting into iTunes.