New Turntable Advice

Yeah, and now for something completely different: a bespoke turntable that you configure in conversation with the designer, one of the most respected names in turntable design for the last half-century, who then builds it from scratch to your specs.

I’ve owned a GEM Dandy Polytable for about 5 years now (currently equpped with a Korf tonearm and DS Audio cartridge), which I purchased directly from George Merrill’s  quasi-retirement boutique company Analog Emporium.  All built in America, if that makes a difference to you.  Barebones tables run $2500-5000 and can be configured with 0, 1, or 2 tonearms.  George doesn’t advertise much, so I was turned on to the Polytable by Michael Fremer, who personally recommended it.  In Mikey’s extensive Stereophile piece (or was it Analog Planet), he was amazed by the speed accuracy, which George states has a tolerance of about 3 ppm!

Since buying it, I’ve gotten completely out of the constant-upgrade vortex.  It’s really a remarkable table, with some features that you don’t expect to see in four-figure offerings.  George keeps the price down by selling direct from his low-overhead operation.

For me, part of the intrigue of this table was the opportunity to speak at length with one of the true geniuses in the field, now in his 70s or 80s.  I coulld be wrong, but I think only a small number of these tables (no more than the hundreds) have been built, so it’s possible that it may become as much of a highly sought-after collectible as George’s earlier designs, like the Merrill-Williams R.E.A.L. and Heirloom lines.

It’s also a very clever design from a manufacturability and maintainability perspective, built to be easy to build and service.  When mine was heavily damaged in shipping, George restored it to factory spec in a day.  And he’s personally guaranteed to me that, if he ever does REALLY retire, he’ll make sure that parts and service will be available indefinitely.

Anyway, this isn’t a product for everybody, but if you’re the kind of person (like me), who is fascinated by unique, personalized products like this (especially if they look like something out of "A Clockwork Orange"), here’s a link:

https://www.hifigem.com/

Oh, and I almost forgot.  The Polytable/Korf/DS combo sounds pretty spectacular, easily the best record player, sonically, that I’ve ever owned.  And for the uninitiated, "GEM" refers to "George E. Merrill," whose signature is on every unit.

@mylogic Your post is very interesting and I can assure you that if you was to be using a Standalone Strobe to check rotational speed, and not a inbuilt to the TT strobe, the suspected fluctuation would have been discovered with immediacy.

With the modern world of the TT and certain experts adopting for the use of $3K -- $5K cart's used  Vintage TT models, of which there is an un-serviced TT in use and the idea of improving is Garlic to a Vampire. Why would this type come forward and say they were using a TT that was as a Bearing Assembly Mechanical Awful.

Would that not suggest they might as well have a $50-$100 MM Cart' in use.

Putting all that Banging and Clanging from the Bearing Housing ( think stylus ) through the Platter and into the stylus to become very very very adulterated sent energy for conversion, might as well be converted by the Cheap MM to electrical signal for sending for Amplification/Gain.

It is easy to understand the Blocker for the type of individual I am referring to, as why would MM Signal be wanted to be sent to a $10K Phonostage.

The idea in many minds is the Phon' is the fixer of all things unwanted, where as the reality is the Phon' adds Gain to all that is received, albeit unadulterated energy extracted from stylus / groove modulation - Adulterated from stylus / groove modulation, along with Ambient Kinetic Energy Transferral, hence all that is received by the Phon' from the latter interface of the Stylus in contact with Groove Modulation is adulteration of the Fidelity. Simply put what arrives at the Phonostage is the Electronics used for Audio Equivalent of Sodom and Gomorrah 

I started out in the 90's showing a concern for the quality of a Bearing Assembly and had my first rebuild done back then on a Garrard 401.

At that time I was a fledgling with the audio interest, I was changing from owning off the shelf audio equipment bought from High Street Dealerships. This was the time the Cornerstone was laid for what has been built as a Learning and System over the past 30ish years.

As a speedy put together guestimate, I would suggest that from my Garrard 401, through to the current time, I have been privy to being demonstrated close to 30ish redesigns for TT's Bearing Housing Assemblies, add to that Serviced Nearing Housing assemblies and it gets nearer 50ish.

In a few cases of demonstrations, same model TT's > Tonearm > Cart' was used to show an untouched vintage TT, Serviced Bearing Housing on a vintage TT, Redesigned and Rebuilt Bearing Housing on a vintage TT.

It is an indelible experience, when demonstrations are capable to not only present a substantially improved End Sound, but also the quality extends into the body, it is physically felt that something is very very right. One is left with certainty in their knowing that a typical Bearing Housing Assembly in a untreated condition is extremely unattractive to experience, when comparisons are carried out with a short period of time between demonstrations.

I know that there are numerous TT's from BD - ID - DD that have a Bearing Housing which Teeters as a result of energies being transferred, when occurring is creating noise to be transferred to the stylus and Off Axis Spindle rotation, which is readable as a Run-Out on the Platter peripheral. Speed Fluctuation will be discovered as well.

Add to Teeter a poor interface for the Platter Spindle / Bush where Bearing Slop is evident and this will add to the noise in conjunction with the teeter being transferred to the Stylus, as well as show an increased Off Axis Rotation, the Speed Fluctuation will be easily measurable as well.

Certain designs of TT's have their own failures at maintaining accurate speed, combining this concern with the above issues impacting on speed and there is something not far from attractive in place.

Add to this the industry standard tolerance allowance for an eccentric rotation and oversized hole, with the above conditions being present, which they are on many many TT models, and the outcome becomes the Stylus in contact with the Groove Modulation has a far from optimised interface, and sent data will be corrupted to the point of being very low value.

Not a Cart' of any value, Cart' alignment tool of any value or Phonostage of any value is a fix, one might as well invest as little as possible in the ancillaries, when the mechanical interfaces are not functioning to a very high standard.

@badbruno I am not attempting at deterring a TT Purchase in any way, why would I, as there is a decent TT collection in my possession as I like to have at hand the TT of interest and duplicates.

I have learnt from long past experiences and those more recent, that a TT in original condition is able to be impressive, but when certain areas of the TT's mechanical design is redesigned the Model of TT with the overhaul is always selected to supersede in use the original Spec' Model.

The TT I have referred to is not a conjecture or an ' I Think ' when it comes to being accurate in the report that has been shared about mechanical interfaces. I have strong suspicion the Stator Bowl moves and have supplied design info to rigidly secure the stator bowl. I have experienced the Bearing Slop on all owned models as well as the wobbly platter. I have had it confirmed from others about the Bearing Slop, as options to correct this has been under discussion.

I have seen the TT referred to with a Tonearm in the current market can be for sale near £4K, for this reason I will refrain from making the Model Known directly.

The PS X9 was a limited number production as an attempt to gain access into Recording Studios and Radio Stations.

The Model referred to by myself is the consumer version of the PS X9. Investigation will show if? there are parts shared on both models. If? the Stator Bowl - Bearing Housing and Assembly - Platter Spindle / Platter Connection are the same, then one needs to know, all things shared by myself are likely to be discovered. 

FYI, I am all for individuals listening to their Vinyl Albums on any Analogue Source Set Up they choose to use, I am a total advocate and have had great experiences listening to LP's on Analogue Sources costing between approx' £300ish - £25Kish where the Sources are used on systems I am familiar with.

If further experiences of Analogue Sources are recollected on systems unknown, I could easily state, the Analogue Sources listened to can be close to £100K in value at the higher cost end. 

My interest that runs parallel with my interest in listening to recorded music from Vinyl, is the mechanical interfaces that can be created for a TT > Tonearm>Cart' to have an optimised interface.

Subjective evaluation is what I use, what those do, who carry out the work is not inquired about. l compare old version with new version and make my own decisions about what becomes the go to TT.      

Always worth checking out Clearaudio - the Performance DC Air is a good place to start.

Anyone have experience with DS Audio cartridge or the Supa Blackbird ?

I have a Technics 1200G with Supatrac arm and Hanna Blue cart. This combination produces the best vinyl reproduction I have had in my system.

Previous TTs I have owned: Linn LP12+ ekos, SME 20 + sme vi, Kuzma ref XL DC + 4pt and ref 313 arms. Lyra atlas & shelter harmony carts

The Kuzma was great but the Technics combo just opens up the sound stage and improves the reality factor. However I needed to move house so had to downsize my system hence Technics purchase.

The Supatrac is a big improvement on the Technics magnesium arm. The Hanna is brilliant for the price.