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I see all religions and "transcendental" thought as metaphors to express humanity’s dichotomy. That’s why I am interested in religion at different historical periods. Religious beliefs express the zeitgeist of humanity at a particular historical period. Although I know Augustin is a highly regarded (Christian) philosopher, I think that he came up with one of the worst and most destructive philosophical ideas: original sin. To think that infants are born with sin is just not right.

If reincarnation exist, and the facts goes on this direction, "original sin" is only the  original inhability to goes to higher existence level because we had freely chose the worst choice and we must freely choose the right direction toward the Source instead of going with our "ego" .

"ego" is evidence of the original sin but evidence of our freedom and co-creative power...

Augustine is not totally wrong ...

@mahgister 

The reincarnation argument does not seem to me to have any more proof now than it ever did. I know my Buddhist friends believe in it. Perhaps in physics the infinite universe theory might approach reincarnation, but as far as I'm concerned that theory is only a theory. I think physics is from the male mind and therefore is happy to come up with a multiverse theory rather than acknowledge a creative force which is too suggestive of "God." I'd like to propose a "Multi-God" theory. It's all just thought experiments anyway. Even if you are Saint Augustin. Although, I'm hungry and I'd take his pear right out of his hand if he were standing in front of me, original sin be damned.

Now, back to music. I have been thinking about your creative time suggestion, in which musical time comes from the performer. I am especially struck with that as Qobuz gives me so many choices for Bach's Cello Suites that I can't go through them all.

I am now very happily listening to Fournier. Before him I was listening to Alisa Weilerstein. What I am thinking is that there seem to be three categories of musical performance. Number one, which I think you like best, is soul wrenching, in which the artist finds his/her musical timing. Number two is for the performer to get the hell out of the way and let the composer shine through. Number three is to try to create beauty, which I'm not sure you acknowledge or at least like in a musical piece. Let us say that Alisa Weilerstein is in the beauty category. Fournier in the get the hell out of the way category. And Starker in the soul-wrenching category. I may have mis-categorized these artists, but I think I might have the categories correct.

@frogman 

Are you listening?

You get me right here :

Now, back to music. I have been thinking about your creative time suggestion, in which musical time comes from the performer.

Your three categories makes no sense for me.

Number one, which I think you like best, is soul wrenching, in which the artist finds his/her musical timing.

This is the first and last necessary category. Why ? Because all music experience is birth by the artists complex set of gesture and breath creating inside our physical measurable quantitative linear time a non linear qualitative non measurable time which is not a duration, nor just a rythm, but a non repeatable improvised  spontaneous gesture which become incarnated meaning with his own time dimension as a pure quality with no object.

Number two is for the performer to get the hell out of the way and let the composer shine through.

This made no sense because most music on earth is not even "written"...

And  the musician need his body and his "I" (not just his robotic ego ) and more to summon inside him all the gestures  necessary to incarnate spirit...

If someone play Liszt piano or Scriabin  he need to invest himself totally...He cannot play letting his personality at the door, he must manifest his personality... It is true in jazz and in all music generally...

But for sure Sun RA  is not Hildegard of Bingen and neither is a talking Nigerian drum all is a question of balance between our ego and the music to manifest...

And anyway composers  are badly served played by people lacking character ...

Number three is to try to create beauty, which I’m not sure you acknowledge or at least like in a musical piece.

This is preposterous sorry. Where did i gave the impression to dismiss "beauty" as the main essence of music ?

Your third category is superfluous because music is beauty in time ....

 Read books out of your feminine/masculine window. Reincarnation is almost  proven fact by scientific inquiries and testimonies.  And i am sorry but no physicist in the world will takes your "feminine physics" seriously. 

@mahgister 

The reincarnation argument does not seem to me to have any more proof now than it ever did. I know my Buddhist friends believe in it. Perhaps in physics the infinite universe theory might approach reincarnation, but as far as I’m concerned that theory is only a theory. I think physics is from the male mind

@audio-b-dog 

I do not believe in reincarnation so much as regard it as more likely true than not. While I came across the concept in my teens, it was the process of experiencing/witnessing my own mind/psyche -- in particular, the degree to which certain patterns are ingrained and resistant to modification -- that nurtured doubt that such rootedness could come about over the short course of a single life-time.  

@mahgister 

If reincarnation exist, and the facts goes on this direction, "original sin" is only the  original inability to goes to higher existence level because we had freely chose the worst choice and we must freely choose the right direction toward the Source instead of going with our "ego" .

I wonder just how "free" we are once we are here on this plane, in these bodies. Yogananda himself questioned why our memories are wiped clean each time we are reborn (for most -- no doubt, there are exceptions). This would appear to render us more susceptible to the illusory nature of Maya from the start, less able to discern real from illusory and thus, less "free" to make wise choices. If one accepts the concept of the Divine Play, then one might conclude that if the actors are denied awareness they are actors, it will make for more "drama". 

I wonder just how "free" we are once we are here on this plane, in these bodies. Yogananda himself questioned why our memories are wiped clean each time we are reborn (for most -- no doubt, there are exceptions). This would appear to render us more susceptible to the illusory nature of Maya from the start, less able to discern real from illusory and thus, less "free" to make wise choices. If one accepts the concept of the Divine Play, then one might conclude that if the actors are denied awareness they are actors, it will make for more "drama". 

Reincarnation is an expression of freedom. We choose our life experiences. We had no memory because we can create and improvise and integrate our experiences, which otherwise with the weight of all our past lifes  could makes it impossible for most...

 If you want to read about reincarnation scientifically :

Read Ian Stevenson book...

 If you want to  go beyond, read Edgar Cayce and Rudolf Steiner books...

If you want to read an incredible reincarnation story , inexplanable without reincarnation, read "the search of Omm Sety" by Jonathan Cott ...

This book is totally incredible and true ...

Dorothy Eady or OMM Sety is considered the goddess of Egyptology...

One of the most passionate read i had last year...

https://www.amazon.ca/Search-Omm-Sety-Jonathan-Cott/dp/0965904849?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.wkGduIXusHubDd1BOKdu72qCURueqxu6byzps0Gf_9M.6rQz5dCuKnPY3nuljNtl8fDDLQN4-1H3v8nvu3jUEpA&dib_tag=se&hvadid=671372741504&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=9000314&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=13079153362658007509--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=13079153362658007509&hvtargid=kwd-337647712724&hydadcr=22458_13497855&keywords=the+search+for+omm+sety&mcid=32b846aa0e073c1b9be153b8a3d73216&qid=1756950287&sr=8-1

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