Let's talk music, no genre boundaries

@stuartk,

I would not be suprised if AI art outsells human art sometime in the near future. But derivative art probably outsells "original" voices today. Let us remember that Vincent Van Gogh's brother Theo was an art dealer. Vincent was luckier than most because he had an outlet. He sold one painting in his lifetime and that was to a friend, or for payment for lodging, or something. Most great artists die penniless, and then Jeff Koons is a multi-millionaire. So, when we are talking about great art, what are we talking about?

Back to music. Composers like Schumann (both Robert and Clara), Rachmaninoff, and Essa Pekka Solonen have to perform for their money. Their artworks (compositions) don't make them enough money. I'm sure AI could do better than them when it comes to making money from compositions. AI could probably spit out fifty a day.

 What about "good" art. In regards to AI (and probably humans, too) we need to talk about consciousness. Nobody knows what it is. Great thinkers like Stephan Hawkings fear that AI will become conscious. Think Hal in 2001. But nobody knows really what comprises consciousness. I have my theories, but I don't have math to prove it. Ironic. Back to @mahgister's bits.

@asvjerry's optimism is a tonic to some degree. From my perspective, as you know, we must hope for more feminine energy to be unleashed. We're dying under the dark gravity of male-think. Music and other arts by their nature are feminine whether written by men or women. Remember how poets used to invoke the Muse at the beginning of their works? 

Lucia Hwong used to be my best friend's girlfriend. She was absolutely beautiful (if you can find a picture of her in the 70's) and the daughter of the actress Lisa Lu, so she had to marry somebody with higher status than my raggedy friend who became a bass player. Her music, posted below, is as beautiful as she.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clapxdtetcc

@stuartk 

I have been a big Tracy Nelson fan for a long time, ever since I heard her sing in the Firehouse in Berkeley. The whole band was good. They ranged from Ray Charles to Tracy doing "Mother Earth." (Posted below). I also saw her later in a country music bar in L.A. When I went up to her to tell her how great I thought she was, she brushed me off as if I were trying to pick her up. I wasn’t. I had a girlfriend at home who didn’t want to go to a sawdust country joint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt0DZ372cQM

@mahgister 

Meaning is an embodied felt  symbolic form

In art, this has certainly been my experience. I cannot comment on how this applies in math, science or other left-brain-dominant fields. 

Kenneth Rexroth on poetic meaning from chatgbt:

Rexroth believed that poetry should not be reduced to a paraphrasable meaning. In his words:

“The meaning of poetry is experience. The experience of the poem is the poem.”
— Rexroth, "Poetry and Experience"

To Rexroth, a poem isn't about something—it is something. It's a moment of awareness, a lived emotional or intellectual reality.