Vinyl Warm Up Time


Curiously, I am finding it’s only after a few vinyl albums into a listening session that my system starts to sound convincingly good. 

For instance yesterday, I started off with a couple of Billy Cobham albums, Spectrum and a live one. This was followed by Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe. All three albums sounded quite harsh in places, although good sound shone through in others.

It wasn’t until I got to a fourth album, Yes’s Tormato that the sound became really convincing. Then with the fifth album, Yes’s Drama things started cooking. It sounded absolutely superb.

This seems an inordinate length of time for the system, presumably the cartridge to warm up particularly in summer. It has been fairly humid recently.

I have returned to vinyl last year after a gap of five years. I don’t remember this ever being an issue in the past. In general,  I am getting a much better sound than before due to various upgrades to the turntable and the rest of the system.

I am using the same model of coil cartridge, a Linn Kandid that I used for many years previously. I bought the current one used, so it may well be getting towards the end of it’s life. The turntable was rebuilt and upgraded towards the end of 2024.

Maybe, it’s just me who takes a long time to relax and get into the listening zone. I don’t get the same issue with streaming, but then I never reach the same heights as I do with vinyl.

Is this typical of other members’ experiences? Any advice will be much appreciated. 

newton_john

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The content clearly was a response to having understood a Damper and Tension Wire requires a period of time of receiving Energy to become Kinetic Energy and create Heat for the parts to become optimised in their function.

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I also find that my analog playback sounds better after a few records and goes from a little harsh and edgy to a smoother and more coherent sound. I use the DS Audio S003 system and I think it’s the cartridge because I can have the equalizer "warmed up" for 24 hours and it still takes a couple of records. I did not notice this with my previous moving coil set up. I wonder if it's because of the suspension loosening up. 

Warm up is real for me IMO. very obvious with my Pass gear and DACs from Denafrips. but for a Phono cartridge, first I heard huh.

If it were me, I would get another used or inexpensive cart and swap it. Then see if the changes are real and not imaginary. Anything on the chain can be doing except you pre and power as you mentioned that Streaming is not affected, leaving it happening on the analog side.

If you find that it's your old cart that is having the issue, then time to get a new one. I don't know if you can have the motor replaced

Joey, baby, a phono cartridge is most apt to "warm up" before sounding its best, among all other audio gear, IMO.  It has suspended moving parts, and the suspension is made from organic materials or synthetic versions thereof.  Those materials have to flex in the course of doing their job. Initial flexing is beneficial for literally warming the materials to operating temperature and also making them engage in their full range of motion and remove any residual stiffness.

@joeycastillo stated " Anything on the chain can be doing except you pre and power as you mentioned that Streaming is not affected, leaving it happening on the analog side. "

Under the guise assessments made within this thread are based on End Sound being subjectively assessed.

None of the devices referred to in the quote are producing Sound, they are managing an electrical current, either as part of producing the signal to be sent, or Amplifying / Adding Gain to the sent Signal.

The Signal only becomes sound after having left the Xover in a Speaker, where at such a place electrical energy is converted in to Kinetic Energy, that is to move a device that moves air, hence, Electrical Energy from the Source is transferred to sound and Sound Energy is migrating into local structures.

There can also be the suggestion Migrating Amplitude, can effect the local structures where certain materials being effected react in a way that is bettering the End Sound being heard to the environment. Improved Absorption or a less harsh reflection could be the effect on a material being exposed to energy from sound.     

A Driver that is creating the movement of air, is made up of a variety of materials that have a mechanical function and also are assembled in a way that interfaces between the materials that are used.

In the same way the Cartridge requires the effects of Kinetic Energy to warm it and enable the selected materials to become optimised in their function. The Speakers Drive Units are requiring very very similar from the Kinetic Energy being produced.

Nearly all users of all speaker designs will inform on a Period of usage being required before the Speakers reach their Sweet Spot.

As for Amp's try explaining to a Amp user where Valves are in the Circuit that a period is not required until the Sweet Spot is the manifest.

I am to start using SS again in my system, I can easily add a SS Device when all other items are discernible for their having reached an optimised function. It will not be long before I learn if a SS Device benefits the End Sound being produced from a period of being in use.

I would not myself encourage anybody with a Very Expensive Cart' and having heavily invested in getting the Set Up for the Cart' dialled in to near perfection, to remove the Cart' and bring in a much lesser model to see if their Cart' is faulty unless it is exposed to a period of Kinetic Energy effecting the critical mechanical interfaces.