How much do I need to spend to make vinyl sound better than digital?


All,

I have a solid vinyl setup that I like to think of as entry-level “plus:” Project Debut Pro with Sumiko Moonstone cartridge.  I enjoy vinyl for the ritual but find that my digital gear - a $400 ifi streamer and the AKM DAC built into my Anthem preamp - beats the analog rig in most ways.  Far better imaging/soundstage and much tighter bass without the occasional distortion/sibilance/warbling of the vinyl rig.  I haven’t messed with cartridge setup other than to check the factory-performed alignment, which looks perfect.  The table is perfectly balanced, counterweight set correctly with an electronic scale, etc - so I have no reason to think there’s a setup problem.  
 

Is this par for the course for this level of vinyl gear?  What do I need to spend to get my vinyl gear to match the performance of decent digital?  I’m thinking of upgrading to a Clearaudio Concept, perhaps with a Hana SL cartridge, but I want to make sure doing that is going to deliver a fundamentally different experience than what I have right now with the Project/Sumiko combination.

 

No interest in flame wars or rehashing the vinyl/digital debate.  I know vinyl can sound wonderful and am simply trying to decide whether I can afford the price of entry for a system that can gets the basics right (no audible distortion/sibilance, decent imaging).  I thought the Project/Sumiko would have gotten me there, but for whatever reason it hasn’t fit the bill.Thanks for any insights. 

lousyreeds1

Did you mention you have a phonostage? I didn’t see any mention of one. So if you’re using a phonostage that’s internally contained within the turntable, then that could easily be why your digital setup sounds better. I find that most people, listening to popular music as they do, will think digital surpasses vinyl. But listen to a recording of a flute (an instrument i play), or any other well-recorded acoustic instrument and you will hear the difference between the two more easily, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the vinyl sound was closer to how a real flute sounds. Of course, that begs the question of how many listeners KNOW what acoustic instruments sound like. I get the impression that’s not the case. I mean, that the majority of people’s music is acoustic. Even if that, the ’80s produced the worst vinyl - and sound - of the 20th century. Vinyl was so thin you could flex it easily. NOT the case with an lp made in 1960.

So, If you are listening to  classical, I can imagine the vinyl sounding better. But if you listen to pop, rock and the rest of the musical genres, then I could see digital sounding better, since so much music is overly compressed and manipulated.

What do you listen to?

Cartridges, Tonearms, TT's can be discussed for evermore, but if the Trilogy are set up to function in an environment that is to the The Trilogy, equivalent to a Person using a Jack Hammer, there is nothing to come downstream that will fix the problem if the Volume Control is set to the above 0 Setting.

What goes on upstream of the Speaker is not sound, it is merely an electrical flow, the end sound comes when the electrical flow moves on from the Speakers Xover.

Speakers are known for their adeptness at presenting a sent corrupted signal as a   corrupted sound. Add a resolving upstream system and the Portable Radio's Sound will be not too far from making a good impression as the comparison to the sound produced from the audio system.

People are so in tune with the notion of the importance of a high quality foundation, but when it comes to preparing for a Stylus to do its job, the notion of the quality foundation slips the mind of many.     

I might enjoy digital more than vinyl if I am listening to pop, or rock music. Processed as it is, I listen to it with all the over-engineered effects, and it sounds fine.

However, if I want to hear acoustic instruments in a symphony orchestra at its best, with a fully 3D soundstage, good imaging, and a fully musical presentation, I’ll listen to vinyl. And that goes for well-recorded jazz or blues (Bill Evans, Miles Davis, BB King) as well. And, if the record was made in the 60s or 70s, vinyl of that era sounds more musical and voices are more "human" sounding than on anything made after 1985. Music of the ’80s was canned, thin and largely, not particularly well-recorded.

Listening to Recordings that are easily identifiable as being quality recordings does add to the experience of listening, there is the impression made from the Sound being produced as well as the knowing not much better can be offered from the Source Medium. 

Unfortunately to experience LP Albums produced on the Vinyl Medium can be quite costly in todays market, to buy into the Albums for a user of a Analogue Source. Buying used Vinyl LP's, also has its Pitfalls and not every user of Vinyl on theor Analogue Source is going to know their used item purchase of a copy of the Best Album of a particular recording is actually one which is a poor copy due to the used condition only?

For myself I have Vinyl LP's in use that are with a condition that adds to the experience of listening to a recording on a Vinyl LP.

The condition being referred to is Cleanliness, (Purification) of the Source Medium being the Vinyl LP.

I have owned Vinyl LP Albums for numerous years ( in some cases Albums are owned for near 45 years).

Over the years as my interest in being in control of the smaller things in enjoying audio equipment to replay recorded music grew, I developed a discipline for Cleaning Vinyl LP's, along with some other cleaning disciplines for audio related items.

Not too long ago, I adopted a New Design for Cleaning which has become my only cleaning method. It is a manual cleaning activity using a purpose produced solution and has superseded my usage of US Cleaning and other Solutions used over the past years for manual cleaning are no longer considered as a cleaning method, or no longer are recognised as a Cleaning Method.

Whilst I have the capability to do the manual cleaning task without harming the Vinyl LP, I will remain using the PAVCR Manual Cleaning Method using the Solutions designed within that are available to me in my Country.

The PAVCR Manual Cleaning Method, when carried out closely following the guidance given in the document, does one thing as the end result.

The one thing that is achieved as the end result, is a Vinyl LP that when used to replay the recorded music, has a new and very noticeable quality when it is being replayed. The new quality that is undeniably present is one where the Cleanliness of the LP becomes audible, there is a strong sense imparted, that the medium in use is one that is Purified and the LP Groove has been as optimised for the Stylus as can be achieved. 

There is in certain Countries only a little cost required to be outlaid to create a Purified Vinyl LP, as the volume of substances required to produce the Cleaning Solution is able to purchased as a small volume.

This cost outlaid is negligible when there is the impression made when experiencing the end result, which is the perception that a Purification of the Sound is being produced, as well as the knowing not much better can be offered as a maintenance for the Source Medium and Stylus Interface within the Groove.