Digital Room Correction vs Room Treatments


I finally got a mic and used REW to analyze my room.  Attached is the freq response for 3 different speakers (Monitor Audio Gold Reference 20, Sonus Faber Electa Amator II, and Sonus Faber Concerto Domus).

They all show similar characteristics - at least the most prominent ones.  I did play around with the Amators trying them closer together and more forward in the room, but the major characteristics you see were mostly unchanged.

With this magnitude and number of deviations from a more ideal frequency response curve, am I better off biting the bullet and just doing digital room correction, or can these issues be addressed with room treatments without going crazy and having the room look like Frankenstein’s lab.

Cost is a consideration, but doing it right/better is the most important factor.

If digital room correction is a viable way to address this, what are the best solutions today?  My system is largely analog (80’s/90’s Mcintosh preamp/amp, tube phono stage), and streaming isn’t a priority (though I’m not against it).

 If the better digital correction solutions come in the form of a streaming HW solution, that’s fine, I’d do that.  

Just looking for guidance on the best way to deal with the room, as both serious room treatments and digital EQ room correction are both areas I haven’t delved into before.


Thanks all.  If more info is needed, let me know.  My room is 11.5’ wide and 15.5’ long with the speakers on the short wall.  Backs of speakers are 3-3.5’ off the front wall and they’re at least 2ft from either side wall.  Some placement flexibility is there, but not a huge amount.

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Question for the group here.  I tried, just for learning purposes, to use my SVS sub to see if it would help fill in that 60Hz dip.  Here’s the FR curve.  While it did fill in the 60Hz dip, it blew up the 35Hz peak more.

The phase is set to 90 degrees on a variable dial that goes 0 to 180.  My question: would playing with phase at all help this curve?

And a more general question, what is causing this 60Hz dip? Cancellation of sound waves at 60Hz, right?  Theoretically, if I put big bass traps in the back corners of the room, does that solve this issue as well as potentially the 35Hz and 100Hz peaks?  Or is it not that simple?

Did you try plugging the port on your sub? Just push some foam or a sock into it. Yes of course playing with the phase (timing) will change the curve, that’s the whole idea. Get a second sub.

Does your SVS sub not have the ability to adjust remotely from your phone? There is more than phase to adjust. You need to also vary the output SPL, Raise or lower the crossover frequency, Change the slope of crossover from 6dB/octave to 24dB/octave, vary the Q and room gain. If you change any of these settings then go back and adjust phase again, and so forth.

Bass Traps?  from my post above:  The bass traps absorb some of the low frequencies that build up particularly in corners but not exclusively. They help reduce the severity of room modes and standing waves.

It appears you did not comprehend my long post trying to explain all this so the best advice now is to learn from the masters. Look at articles from Earl Geddes, Floyd Toole and Todd Welti on multi-subs. Fussing around with DSP will not get you there.

The issue is I have very limited adjustments on my sub.  See pic below:


So I can adjust phase and level, but nothing else.

I was also having some issues getting REW to output to mains and sub at the same time.  So when I played with phase using sub output only, it didn’t change anything because I think it’s the phase interaction with the mains that will cause different responses to the FR curve.  Just changing phase if the sub is the only thing playing the frequency does nothing to change the FR curve.

You got a few issues going on. Think you have a couple nulls going on.

The bass energy spike 30-40 is huge, then that massive hole at 50-80. Some peaks in the middle, with treble dropping off.

This tells me you have a boomy setup, with bright mids, and low highs. DSP will not fix this, just adjust. Don't think you can room treatment out of this.

Your speakers are in the wrong spot, or your listening spot is totally off. Think you should move the speakers around. It looks like the walls are enhancing the low bass, nulling out the mid-bass, the room appears to "dark" already with the highs. Maybe remove a couple of panels, or move them around the room. 

Do you have any tones controls active? Turn them all off, if you are taking readings, then adjust them after the readings.

The 35Hz spike is there regardless of speaker placement and LP - varies a tiny bit in magnitude, but not much.  Room is 11.5’ wide by 15.5’ long and 8’ high.  Probably a characteristic of the room.

The 60Hz dip can be filled in at the expense of creating a more shallow one around 180Hz.

The speakers are places 1/5 of the room length from the front wall and 1/5 of room width from the side walls.  It was recommended to place the LP about 1/3 room length from back wall (60”), but I found I preferred my LP 54” from the back wall.

No tone controls active.  I’m using Pure Direct mode on my AVR to bypass the Audessey room correction.  I’m only using the AVR for the sweeps because it can accept the HDMI from my MacBook.  Normally, I use a McIntosh C35 preamp that has a 5-band EQ, but I normally listen flat.  Sometimes with a small bit of loudness contour, but mostly flat.