Speakers for leading edge, transients, speed and big sound


Hello- I am looking to spend about 20-30k on used speakers ( guessing they would have been -40K new a few years back). Any suggestions welcome. I have a 14*20 room and I am looking for dynamics, potentially a great sounding horn or equivalent. Excited by Tektons but since I have the budget wondering if there's anything better. I did have the JBL M2s that I really enjoyed and Revel Salon 2s that I didn't so much

Thank you!

saummisra

Yes they are placement and need a big room (but what you're looking for in sound rather implies that); yes they need a LOT of amp power to function their best, yes they tall (but thin) but there's nothing faster than Magnepans. I think there is no better sounding speaker in any price bracket. And all the experts seem to live them and they crush the competition if you care about value. Demo them or they let you try at home for 30d for full refund if you don't like. 

For some ionic tweeters, like the Hill Plasmatronic, a chemically inert gas was injected around the electrode to prevent it from corroding in the highly reactive environment of an ionized plasma.  Even with such gas protecting the electrode, it would get eaten up by that harsh environment.

@devinplombier:

Example of a short excursion woofer that @larryi is referencing see here.

The JBL 2220 is a 15'' woofer with a short excursion and has a frequency range of 40 Hz-2 KHz while the JBL 2235 is a 15'' woofer with a long excursion and has a frequency range of 20 Hz-2 KHz. The 2235 woofer will reach two octaves lower in the bass than the 2220 woofer see here

Almost all HiFi woofers suffer from this problem (woofer dynamic offset) see below:

''Woofer dynamic offset is a problem long known about but seldom discussed or treated. With high input power at low frequencies, many woofers tend to shift their mean displacement forward or backward until the coil is nearly out of the gap. This is most likely to happen just above each low frequency impedance peak of a system. The result is a high level of second harmonic distortion and subjectively a bass character that loses its tightness at high acoustical output levels [4]. The cure for offset, as shown by T, H. Wiik [6], is a restoring spring force that increases in stiffness at high displacement in an amount that counterbalances the reduced B field at the extremes of voice coil travel. Such a nonlinear spider will in fact reduce distortion and eliminate the tendency to offset.'' See full article here.

Mike

@simonmoon Thanks, I very much appreciate your retort.yes

"They use a pulsating plasma flame to excite the air itself. No need for an external gas supply.

They're lifespan is extremely long, since there are no moving parts. 

Another company that uses ION tweeters, which I like even better than Acapelle, is Lansche audio. I heard their speakers at T.H.E. SHow last year. 

Their ION tweeter, if it needs to be replaced, is less expensive than other high end speaker's tweeters."

 

@ditusa Bill Woodman who founded ATC in 1974 solved this problem by using "underslung" edge wound voice coils in a longer and tighter gap which eliminated the "offset" issue while reducing distortion up to 20dB throughout the driver's frequency range. In addition, this reduces the usual swings in impedance as well as radical changes in phase angels resulting in flat impedance response without resonances. The caveat being the need for enormous magnet structures along with considerable reduction in efficiency. Essentially though, you could use any type of amplifier typology to drive their speakers without harm to the amplifier but to get the speaker system to come alive you need minimally a hundred watts high current solid-state power.

"Example of a short excursion woofer that @larryi is referencing see here.

The JBL 2220 is a 15'' woofer with a short excursion and has a frequency range of 40 Hz-2 KHz while the JBL 2235 is a 15'' woofer with a long excursion and has a frequency range of 20 Hz-2 KHz. The 2235 woofer will reach two octaves lower in the bass than the 2220 woofer see here

Almost all HiFi woofers suffer from this problem (woofer dynamic offset) see below:

''Woofer dynamic offset is a problem long known about but seldom discussed or treated. With high input power at low frequencies, many woofers tend to shift their mean displacement forward or backward until the coil is nearly out of the gap. This is most likely to happen just above each low frequency impedance peak of a system. The result is a high level of second harmonic distortion and subjectively a bass character that loses its tightness at high acoustical output levels [4]. The cure for offset, as shown by T, H. Wiik [6], is a restoring spring force that increases in stiffness at high displacement in an amount that counterbalances the reduced B field at the extremes of voice coil travel. Such a nonlinear spider will in fact reduce distortion and eliminate the tendency to offset.'' See full article here."