What might pair well with a combined Laiv Harmony uDDC and Laiv DAC?


Beyond the title, not much to say. I am somewhat new to (some) digital equipment (though I have used it a lot at work in other realms, so some of the techno-babble sort of makes sense to me).

So I want to stream music (Qobuz) via a transport or streamer (DAC need not be part of it) to a DDC to a Laiv DAC (which arrives tomorrow!)(not the mini-DAC).

Other than the often-mentioned Rose RS130, can anyone comment on a streamer that would fit into this well? I think the uDDC opens the door to more inputs (it outputs as i2S or USB to the DAC).

Thanks.

Tim

timothy468

@timothy468 DDC's potential advantage comes from clocking and power supply to that clock in DDC vs internal clock and power supply in dac. In comparing clocks, general hierarchy is OXCO best, followed by TXCO, then Femto. And then we have to consider power supplies to those clocks, this extremely important as well, with superior power supply it may be possible for Femto clock with very nice power supply to outperform OXCO clock with lesser power supply. Also, not all clocks created equal, therefore, they all vary in quality. Finally, length of I2S cable needs to be shortest possible, 1/2M at most, I2S clocks provide highest performance when located closest to data path in dac, having to travel along cables messes with timing to some extent. 

 

Input quality also variable with DDC, do your research prior to purchase. The quality/optimization of this interface also important, when thinking about streaming one has to consider entire chain.

 

So, I have Harmony dac, use Denafrips Gaia, chose this for it's extremely high quality OXCO clock and power supply, also very nice input design. This relatively high price for ddc, I chose this since I wanted to hear full potential of going I2S, same reasoning for choice of Tubulus I2S cable.

 

Since your looking for a streamer I can see the sense of going with streamer with I2S output. Still need to research quality of that output, you could avoid need for DDC altogether if quality high, otherwise not worth limiting your choice of streamers to those with I2S output. As for my particular setup with Harmony, I2S superior vs my optimized usb, the usb board in Harmony is pedestrian, nothing special, high quality I2S setup should sound best vs usb in this dac.

Innuos makes a bunch of very good streamers at different price points

and very good sense app.

To sns, Thanks for those clarifying comments. I like the uDDC frm Laiv, as it allows several differnt sorts of inputs to go to the Laiv DAC via an i2S output (the connection from the DDC to the DAC comes with it and is very short). That makes is more intriguing to consider streamers without an i2S output as still compatible with the Laiv DAC, plus benefiting from the cleanup of that particular DDC.

The information on the clock/power supply issue is also helpful. I have already purchased the Laiv uDDC as a starting point for me (at about $875 it seems pretty reasonably priced). My hope was that it would work well with the Laiv DAC as it had been designed specifically for it (though not only it).

To Audioman58, I am coming to that conclusion about the Innuos line also. The ability to have a CD ripper as well is also appealing, though not as vital to me.

Thanks all. Time to unbox my just-arrived DAC!

Tim

Another recommendation for an Innuos streamer.  I have the Zen MK3 I got used from a great local dealer for $1800.  It connects out using USB.  It has a CD ripper and storage so you can run any CDs you have and stream from the same system.  A big factor with a streamer is the operating system and the Sense app that Innuos has works beautifully with Qobuz.  Allows me to control from my iPad and iPhone.  I tried the Holo Audio Red.  Sounds great and well built but I didn’t like having to use my laptop to control.  I Went with the Innuos instead.