WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE FOR THE HIGH END GEAR ON AUDIO GEAR?

@scottwheel thats good for you. We can agree to disagree. That’s perfectly fine I don’t have anything to prove to you. Even if someone did you are stuck to how you feel. Take care. 

“We are not in the same business here ...”

I’m not in any business here. I work in film not in audio. 

”Since you came here you seems to be in the business of debunking audiophiles , style James Randi;”

again I’m not in business here. But when I look at the state of the hobby it is clear that there aren’t enough voices in it calling out the shady and dubious products on the market. Those products dominate the market. Here we have a thread that attempts to rationalize the existence of audiophiles such as myself by trying to dismiss us as haters of high end audio, jealous of audiophiles who buy expensive cables and power cords etc. Or lack any experience with “real” high end audio. I chimed to debunk that mischaracterization of audiophiles such as me that don’t buy into high end cables and power cords. I’m not jealous. I used to own “high end” cables back when I believed in them. It’s not an affordability issue it’s an issue of spending money ineffectively. It’s not about hating high end audio. I am quite passionate about audio and music. It’s certainly not from any exposure to “high end” audio. I have heard many a million dollar plus system over the years at shows, dealerships and the hom s of affluent audiophiles on four different continents. And I am not the only one.
 

“myself i am neither a subjectivist waiting to be debunk by you , nor an objectivist with scientism blinders ... I am interested by fundamental questions about sound, music, mathematics and hearing ...i believe everyone of good faith ... And it is better if the person is rational for sure ...”

I’m just an audiophile who is passionate about sound quality and music. But I am also a skeptic who believes in science and seeks genuine expert advice. There are a lot of posers in the audiophile world and few genuine experts. I don’t believe everyone in good faith. Dishonesty abounds in this world. I know enough about how humans hear, process and remember sound to understand how we can honestly reach erroneous conclusions about sound and I accept those limitations in myself. 
 

Wow this thread went down the toilet. 

Then i believe you are of good faith ...

We are in the same boat ... I dont buy anything very costly because i can be satisfied with acoustic basics and relatively low cost gear ...I listen to my music and i had invested more in them and in books than in audio gear by far ...

I am not an expert in audio, only someone able now to embed any system at any price not in the best possible ways as an acoustician  but on a reasonnably good ways ...

But i like to read about hearing theory and acoustics and music a lot ...

Welcome here ...

“We are not in the same business here ...”

I’m not in any business here. I work in film not in audio.

”Since you came here you seems to be in the business of debunking audiophiles , style James Randi;”

again I’m not in business here. But when I look at the state of the hobby it is clear that there aren’t enough voices in it calling out the shady and dubious products on the market. Those products dominate the market. Here we have a thread that attempts to rationalize the existence of audiophiles such as myself by trying to dismiss us as haters of high end audio, jealous of audiophiles who buy expensive cables and power cords etc. Or lack any experience with “real” high end audio. I chimed to debunk that mischaracterization of audiophiles such as me that don’t buy into high end cables and power cords. I’m not jealous. I used to own “high end” cables back when I believed in them. It’s not an affordability issue it’s an issue of spending money ineffectively. It’s not about hating high end audio. I am quite passionate about audio and music. It’s certainly not from any exposure to “high end” audio. I have heard many a million dollar plus system over the years at shows, dealerships and the hom s of affluent audiophiles on four different continents. And I am not the only one.

“myself i am neither a subjectivist waiting to be debunk by you , nor an objectivist with scientism blinders ... I am interested by fundamental questions about sound, music, mathematics and hearing ...i believe everyone of good faith ... And it is better if the person is rational for sure ...”

I’m just an audiophile who is passionate about sound quality and music. But I am also a skeptic who believes in science and seeks genuine expert advice. There are a lot of posers in the audiophile world and few genuine experts. I don’t believe everyone in good faith. Dishonesty abounds in this world. I know enough about how humans hear, process and remember sound to understand how we can honestly reach erroneous conclusions about sound and I accept those limitations in myself.

 

“thats good for you. We can agree to disagree. That’s perfectly fine I don’t have anything to prove to you. Even if someone did you are stuck to how you feel. Take care.”

I am genuinely happy for you that you enjoy your stereo. But your last remark strikes at the very heart of this matter. You have continually tried to give your beliefs credibility by attacking the credibility of those such as myself with very different views. You want to agree to disagree but you also want to characterize me as “stuck in my position.”  A mischaracterization that I suspect makes you feel better about your own beliefs. Because there is something unsettling about someone who has such different beliefs but can’t be discredited or dismissed some how some way.
 

There is a very easy test to see if someone is stuck in their position. Let’s try it. It goes like this. 
 

What would it take to persuade you that you are wrong about cable sound and power cord sound? Answer that question honestly and I will do the same. And then we can see who is stuck in their position.