Transients hurting my ears on hifi solid state amps


I've looked at many discussions on listening fatigue and similar topics, but haven't really found the answer to the specific problem I've been having.

To me, modern higher end solid state amplifiers tend have too much slam or too sharp transients and that ends up hurting my ears even at 60db levels. Even listening to mellow jazz, the piano notes are just uncomfortable to listen to because of the attack.

I currently have Buchardt S300 Mk II speakers, which are not high sensitivity by any stretch, and are rather smooth sounding, but I don't know if they could contribute to the issue somehow?

The worst case regarding amplifiers I tried was the Rogue Sphinx V2, which is 100W hybrid Class D with tube preamp. Another I had at home for an extended period and had an issue with was the Arcam SA20, which should be a relatively smooth sounding amplifier, and it did get a little closer to what I was looking for.

I currently have a Primaluna Dialogue Premium integrated and I'm very happy with it. The amp I tried to replace was a Marantz PM6005, which is also very smooth. Both are under the recommended power rating of the speakers (even though that's relative for a tube amp), so I'm wondering whether that could be part of it.

I listen mostly to vinyl (Graham Slee Reflex M preamp) with some digital too (Denafrips Pontus II). Both are relatively smooth and vinyl, while usually being softer, doesn't solve the issue. 

I'm looking to switch back to solid state (class AB) for various reasons and I was wondering if anybody had had similar experiences and recommendations for amps? Most amps, especially higher end, tend to emphasize the dynamics, punch, agility, etc. and I struggle to find anything that would seem to fit the bill. Tubes seem to do the trick for me, especially with some tube rolling, but not sure where to go with solid state. The budget would be around 2000$.

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There’s lots of good suggestions to try here.  May I suggest you also look at isolation pucks for your amplifier and related equipment.  I found I was having the same trouble. I couldn’t listen to Mahler symphonies as the peaks hurt my ears - even at moderate volume.  I have pretty nice gear, but a furniture grade cabinet - not a dedicated audio rack. (My wife and I want to live with the equipment - not look at it).  

It occurred to me that my gear may have been experiencing microphonic induced distortion which can happen even at moderate volume. I was able to solve it with isolation pucks. In my case, Isoacoustic Oreos. Nordost sort Kones also worked well.  Even low volume can affect equipment.

I hope you find a solution which brings back the joy of listening to music again.

Best, 

It occurred to me that my gear may have been experiencing microphonic induced distortion which can happen even at moderate volume. I was able to solve it with isolation pucks. In my case, Isoacoustic Oreos. Nordost sort Kones also worked well.  Even low volume can affect equipment.

I hope you find a solution which brings back the joy of listening to music again.

Thanks for sharing that experience. Certain types of distortion seem to really be key for many aspects and it's good to know that proper isolation can be of such a help

Here's where I'm at currently: I'm leaning toward class A, despite my worries about power consumption and heat. This is based on the hypothesis regarding transients and dynamics, but also other reasons, related to the distortion characteristics and the sound signature, often associated with most class A amplifiers.

Looking at the options discussed, the Pass Labs INT-25 is on the top of the list at the moment. I'm trying to be open to higher budgets given the options discussed, but even ex demo or used units remain perhaps too pricey. But the smooth, warm, liquid sound that many reviewers note could be exactly what should work for me. I would likely be underpowering my current speakers, but in a way, that might be a good thing.

In the case of Luxman, I think I would need to go to the 590 (similarly priced to the Pass), or perhaps 550. But even if it's considered smooth, it is a very different sound compared to the Pass Labs, a more neutral and balanced presentation, less forgiving of bad recordings, so I'm not sure if that's for me.

Reading about Sudgen and seeing reviews comparing it to Pass Labs, there seems to be more energy in the highs and there isn't the same smoothness and warmth. I wasn't convinced that was the one for me. There is also no standby mode, which I would ideally like to have.

Not sure about class A/AB amps, such as Parasound, given their high power ratings and reviews being less clear about the smoothness (the best proxy I have found for the sound I'm looking for).

Accuphase could be an option, both class A and AB, but they are expensive and their availability is limited, both new and used.

I would like to stick to integrated amps, just because of the need for an easy to use, that's the reason I feel the need to move from my current tube amp. However, I was wondering whether there are class A separates where the power amp can be turned on and off (or toggle the standby mode) from the preamp? I've seen mentions of this communication being possible, but haven't seen a pairing that does this. Space is not really the issue here. As mentioned before, First Watt amplifiers would be high on my list, but they don't fill the ease of use criteria.

The ideal would still be to find a class AB amp, but I haven't really found a way to judge which models could work for me. Higher end amps are usually very powerful and I worry that it translates to an overly microdynamic sound. Most reviews don't seem to find the options discussed (listed in a previous post) that easy on the ears, for example Stereophile says about the Croft:

the Croft didn't spare me the bad news of the peaky top ends that made cymbals sizzle overmuch, over-emphasized vocal sibilants, and suchlike.

Thanks in advance for any comments on these current conclusions I've drawn, as well as possible suggestions for alternatives to the Pass Labs, be it class A integrated or communicating separates, or class AB options that you think would fit with what I'm looking for.

But you already have the PrimaLuna and like it?
The reviews and measurements in stereophile look good.

If the main reason to move away from tubes was the heat, then I am not sure it will get better.

It seems like a sideways move to me.
But I’d probably trade my PrimaLuna for a Pass.