I don't want to beat a dead horse but I'm bugged.

@atmasphere

I’ve no doubt that some of these measurements don’t occur because there isn’t the education out there to really understand the data! Plus- heaven forbid- you know how something sounds by looking at the measurements!

If we reach a point where sound quality can be accurately predicted by measurement I’d have zero resistance or issue with it. My point is acknowledging we are not remotely close to doing that now.

Currently used measuring techniques seemingly can’t hold a candle compared to the extraordinary capabilities of the human ear-brain axis processing pathways (Thank you @mahgister ).

You can use cheap off the shelf Op-amps to allow any mass produced entry level DAC to measure quite well and yet sound utterly underwhelming (Like crap).

Charles

@sns @charles1dad 

Would the issue be that you don't want accuracy?  You want artifacts?  I think that is the conclusion that can be drawn.  I don't think Mahgister is remotely accurate in this regard, not regarding electrical signals. Those we can measure with extreme confidence fortunately, or my job would be impossible.  If you do not want accurate, I doubt there is 100% correlation from human to human, so the only way to know what artifacts you like is for you to listen.

I can run pure 2-channel, or through the AV processor. Depending on my mood, I will listen using the AV processor and ambience surround settings. It is not accurate, but often is a more pleasant listening experience. It is more alive, with all those buzz words that audiophiles like; wide sound-stage, presence and sounds more like a live performance. It is obviously artificial though.

@djones51 

I've yet to listen to a component that measured well and sounded bad,

Measurements, presumably, are objective.

How "good" something sounds is highly subjective and furthermore, susceptible to a host of variables.

The horse has been beaten to a fine powder by now.

@russ69 

I share your frustration and appreciate how you framed the question but I don't believe this is a gulf that can be bridged.