Hana Umami Red or Lyra Kleos?

Cbl117, you’re the second person I’ve heard say they thought the dual pivot mod was a hassle. What makes it so in your estimation? I read one person didn’t like that the second pivot point simply drags across the surface it rests on when in use. That person bought a mod to the dual pivot mod that replaced the pivot’s point with a small ruby ball bearing. My dealer said cueing was more difficult .with the mod in use for some reason. I’d appreciate if you could elaborate a little on what you don’t like about it to help me make a better decision on getting it or not. Opinions seem to be mixed. Thanks.

I’d like to upgrade to a table like you describe, But I can’t spend any more on equipment upgrades since my entire system was just replaced at great expense, far as my budget is concerned. So outside of getting the Lyra Kleos, which I really shouldn’t have spent money on, I’ve got to live within my means and enjoy what I have.

Mike

I'm using an Ortofon Winfield cartridge with my VPI .   I installed the 2nd pivot on the 10.5 which was an improvement....not a night and day, but certainly worthwhile.   I heard the bearing VPI which to me was not an improvement, but a lateral move.  They sounded much the same.

Stringreen, in what ways did the dual pivot improve your system? I’ve read a few things about improvements using it and would like to hear yours. Appreciate your impression of the bearing VPI., I assume you’re speaking of one of their FB gimbal models, They do have a couple of relatively inexpensive ones in the $500 range too. Thanks,

Mike

I have both, Hana Umami Red and Lyra Kleos, and both are fantastic! Lyra Kleos a little bit more open in the high frequencies, and Hana Umami Red a little bit more forgiven in not so good recordings

I thought VPI's website offered cartridge recommendations..