Recommend an Entry Level Turntable (And maybe an integrated Amp)


I've been wanting to upgrade my system for a long time now.

My system currently consists of a pair of B&W 630's, an old Denon 50 watt reciever (DRA-550) from the mid 80's,  and a Marantz 5004 cd player.  I'm pretty happy with all three.

I'm looking to get into vinyl and The Project Debut Carbon turntable was recommended.  I listened to it but wasn't amazed by it. So I sent it back.

I then called my local audio store and the salesman said that if the system sounds good with cds but not with the turntable then the weak link is probably the phono pre amp.

So, he recommended the NAD C388 integrated amp which has the added benefit of more power (150 watts per channel) and bluetooth as well (something I definitely want).  He did qualify it by saying that reciever/amp technology hasn't changed much over the years.

He also recommended an upgrade of the turntable cartridge to the Sumiko Rainier.

Just thinking out loud.  I'd be open to adding a bluetooth and a new phono preamp to the Denon, but I'm not sure if that would be better.

TIA

klimt

@klimt, save some coin in your budget for a few basic vinyl accessories (i.e. record brush; stylus cleaner; anti-static poly sleeves; record cleaner; VTF gauge; etc.). Records require a little TLC if you want the sound quality to be all it can be. With the right TT, cart, phono stage, speakers... guess this amounts to the whole damn audio system, not to mention quality vinyl pressings... vinyl will provide a significantly more dynamic experience than Red Book CD's played, presumably, through the DAC in your Marantz or most other CD players. If you get an integrated amp with a good internal DAC, you might want to by-pass your CD player's DAC and use it as a transport by tapping into the amp's DAC with a good quality digital cable. If you've never done the vinyl thing before, I recommend you do some reading on basic care & handling of records, TT's, etc. Analog Planet is a good place to start and keep going to. Michael Fremer will become a new friend. Vinyl's not as easy and care-free as popping in a CD. However, with just a little effort, the reward in sound quality is certainly worth it!

If you buy a manual TT, I'd strongly recommend investing in a tone arm lifter, as well. You don't want your stylus spending any time bumping into the record labels after it hits the lead-out grooves.

For TT choices, I'd recommend you have a serious look & listen to the Marantz TT-15 with the Clearaudio cart it comes bundled with. That TT is actually manufactured by Clearaudio to Marantz's specifications. This one is hard to beat at anywhere near its price. Unfortunately, it doesn't come with a dust cover. Kind of a stupid move by Marantz. You could probably find a cheap solution for this at an arts & crafts store like Michael's or at the website of an acrylic products manufacturer, instead of paying the crazy, wildly inflated prices for an after-market dust cover.

The Rega P3 with Ortofon Blue is another I've spent serious seat-time with that was/is very, very nice, indeed. I'm certain there are many other good choices in your budget range but those are the only two under 2K I've spent serious seat-time with that I would recommend without hesitation.

Finally, no matter what TT you go with, make sure you have a rock steady and level spot to put it on, especially if you go with a low-mass design like Rega.

If I were you I'd a good buy on a good high-end used table for the same money you spend on a budget new table. A Linn or a sota

 

I’m gonna ask a question:

can you keep this as a happy second system, enjoy it elsewhere, ... office, .... and start over piece by piece for a new music system?

IOW, new speakers, probably used to move up within your budget. That is the biggest improvement you will hear (first with the existing receiver and cd player). If not streaming, that marantz looks like a keeper.

then new or used components with the sources/inputs/features/remote controls you want. think long, sketch the ideal, then begin.

Any starter TT, it’s not the deck and arm difference: you will be hearing the cartridge, and it will be colored via the Phono stage. You need to find the combo that you like, that ain’t easy. Alignment skills for a TT/cartridge are paramount, who will do that?

Then, having an enjoyable TT, if you stick with Vinyl, move up with your then acquired experience and alignment skills. also think long, I went from a decent Audio Technica AT120 with a single great cartridge to a Vintage TT and Large Plinth with 3 arms/cartridges ready to go. Got there by accident with a lot of help here.

have a peek, 8th photo here

 

my good friend just went to a new arm with removable headshell and VTA on the FLY. IMO that is the best way to go with a single arm, it allows changing headshells with different cartridges easily, i.e. MM Stereo; MC Stereo; Mono. That is a commitment, after you decide you will move deeper into Vinyl

 

you could jump right in with this vintage JVC Victor two arm plinth, direct drive quartz locked TT81;

and Long 7082 arm with VTA on the Fly

 

that’s $1,100 usd, and sold by Vlad, the Russian in Canada I bought mine from and Bill subsequently got his from. I highly recommend him. note: he also has the standard length 7045 arm listed separately. If I knew what I ended up knowing, I would buy this and the 9" arm.

that JVC Victor plinth is big and heavy, check the measurements, I had to order a deeper glass shelf for it. 

Klimt,

Very good discussion and great advice from your A'gon friends.

I'm going to point the discussion in another direction.  I am in total agreement that a modern integrated will offer far superior performance than your Denon receiver.  The unknown factor here is the strength of the emotional attachment between yourself and the Denon.  My 40+ years of experience shows that this can be quite strong in many cases.  The daily "feel good" sensation you get from a piece of gear that was a loyal companion through some of the most important cycles of your life is impossible to place a value on vs setting it aside for something that delivers an improved listening experience.  Only you can make that determination.  That being said it is possible to significantly improve the performance of the Denon the degree where it doesn't sound like it came from the same factory.  Yes, "audiophile" characteristic are possible with significant improvements in warmth, detail, and overall musicality from the Denon. There are "mods" you can do at home if you're "handy" or the average hifi service tech can easily perform these.  Plan on spending between $200-$300 for a 40%+ performance improvement.  Will it match the performance of a modern integrated?  No.  But, it you want your old friend to look the same, operate the same, and sound like a product a couple of rungs up the ladder, then you can have it all.  If this is interesting, I'll be happy to share some insights into our successes with "mainstream" audio gear.  Not trying to drum up business here.  We keep pretty busy and you can have this done locally.  Just didn't want you to place the Denon in a Garage Sale or demote it to a secondary system if a performance improvement would keep it center stage.

 

An outboard phono stage (with decent interconnects) is recommended with this.  If you like your DM630's there are some do-it-yourself mods you can perform as well.  The goal here is not to fundamentally change the voicing the the B&Ws but to just get things out of the way that crush detail, dynamics, and imaging.

 

Best of luck in your pursuits.