Better CD Sound: The Search


Went Big into Vinyl last 2 years, then re-discovered my many CD’s, mixing it up plenty now.

I continue to try and find a CD Player with better sound than my existing cheapo Sony Changer that surprisingly keeps on keeping on.

I am hoping recent upgrades to the system will more readily reveal differences:

99.9999 copper speaker wires and interconnects, locking rca connectors, mx110z tube tuner/preamp overhaul by Audio Classics; cayin a88t bias by VAS; 16 ohm L-Pads replacing 8 ohm pots; and finally a I bought a sound meter to balance/refine the speaker’s L-Pads (it ain’t easy) for the best sound ever.
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CD Quest So Far:

I want dual processors, go used to keep cost down, even consider older vintage.

1. my Onkyo Grand Integra (DX-7500 I think), fixed the damn drawer opening problem several times.

2. This cheapo Sony Changer given to me, eh, use if for parties, why not.
surprisingly sounded as good as the Onkyo to me and friends, gave the annoying Onkyo away.

3. tried used Oppo 83 Video Player for it’s audio

Laser was weak, ’no disc’, found it is a common problem with heavily used lasers. Back it went

4. lightly used Oppo 105. Everything worked, but didn’t sound better than the Sony. Oppo is big, single, expensive, not sellers fault, so I sold it myself rather than return it, lost $205. on that attempt.

5. ’new original stock’ KLH (made by?). played a few discs, then the discs started mis-tracking on discs I know are ok.

found small black bits clinging to the surface in the area of the problems (cds play from the inside out, just guess how far out). Turned out, the belt(s) were dried out, thus when put into motion after years of storage (where?), they shed bits of rubber. Back it went, full refund including return shipping. never compared it to the Sony’s sound

6. Resolved: if vintage, make sure belts are available, get a low price, open it up when it arrives, watch it move ... use, replace belts, return as last choice.

7. Just Bought Two, in transit, One Single; One 6 Disc Changer. (both with oem remotes and power cords, most for sale are missing).

a. Denon DVD-2910 Single Player (big dent on the top. $52. del’d, eBay) (crutchfield keeps old info on their site)
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-6TIPMQKBMUZ/p_033DV2910B/Denon-DVD-2910-Black.html

b. Onkyo Integra CDC-3.4 six disc changer (open box/demo) ($51. delivered) (bserplus.com)
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_164CDC34/Integra-CDC-3-4.html

c. a bag of belts. because I will be keeping something, and I have other old stuff with belts
https://www.ebay.com/itm/334135204014

d. spare rare OEM remote for Integra 3.4, eBay

Keeping My Ears Crossed!

elliottbnewcombjr
Agree what you really need is a good DAC.  As you’re obviously a vinyl fan I’d heavily point you to R2R DACs as they tend to have more of that organic, natural sound to them.  I’m about to pull the trigger on a Musician Pegasus that’s $1100 new, and I’d encourage you to explore that option as well.  Best of luck. 
Soix this past weekend we listened to the Musician Aquarius dac with various sources a couple streamers / servers including the Project transport.
 The combination of the Aquarius and transport was the biggest surprise from the others that gave up using CD transports years ago 
I’m one in the strong belief it’s what your dac is fed that lights up the experience..
While I have purchased preowned audio gear, I am more hesitant on preowned CD players.   I too went through tray issue with an original purchase Integra Research CD/SACD player that had pretty light usage.  It was out of warranty and no longer sold when it went down.  I found local repair, but tray open/close issues came up again relatively soon, but still usable.
  
Parts availability such as lasers and trays, especially now, can be difficult on older units. I too have an older Oppo 83 SE, but primarily used it for Blu-Ray rentals.   I have currently moved to streaming music from ripped CDs to hard drives on my server and Qobuz, and also streaming video rather than discs.  I still have both the players, though currently not in use.  

I like the recommendations for using existing workable unit as transport to a nice DAC.  I do not have the same reticence on purchasing preowned DACs.  I have changed DACs and may explore putting the IR player back in rack and trying it as a transport as well.   Admittedly though, I am pretty hooked on the ease of use of streaming music and playlists rather than individual disc.
I tend not to buy used stuff that has a mechanical component. But it can really help leverage your buying power. You are fishing in the real low end of pond. Better sounding and more reliable is going to come from an old high end deck. Go to Stereophile and look at old recommended component brands.

My first jaw drop came from frustration from a highly rated (as if it were a high end product) Onkyo tape deck. I auditioned an ancient first generation Nakamichi tape deck… it completely blew the Onkyo away… as if the Onkyo was a plastic transistor radio. After that I realized the value of high end gear.

BTW, a CD player is a physical transport, Streamer, and DAC. The folks recommending using one of your current CD players for it’s physical transport and streamer and buying a better DAC can get you a sizable increase in performance. It can also be a stepping stone to improving all the pieces… eventually just going to streaming… a good streamer / DAC can sounds as good or better than a CD player. Your choice in paths.


@in_shore

"returned the Project Audio RS2 back to the distributor I had it long enough for a good long listen"

Your seem very impressed with it, what caused you to return it?
Charles