Analytical or Musical Which way to go?


The debate rages on. What are we to do? Designing a spealer that measures wellin all areas shoulkd be the goal manufacturer.
As allways limtiations abound. Time and again I read designers yo say the design the speaker to measure as best they can. But it just does not sound like music.

The question is of course is: what happens when the speaker sounds dull and lifeless.

Then enters a second speaker that sounds like real music but does not have optimum mesurements?

Many of course would argue, stop right there. If it does not measure well it can't sound good.

I pose the question then how can a spekeer that sounds lifeless be acurrate?

Would that pose yhis question. Does live music sound dull and lifeless?
If not how can we ever be be satisified with such a spseker no matter how well it measures?
gregadd
The debate rages on. What are we to do? Designing a spealer that measures well in all areas shoulkd be the goal manufacturer.

Uh, no. The goal should be to invoke in the listener as much of the thrill and emotional response to live music as possible. Measurements are just one means to the end, as are many others including subjective listening by people who are very familiar with what live music sounds like.

The few standard measurements that show up in test reports are nowhere near sufficient to build a speaker to. The one exception may be YG, which uses over 150 different tests and measurements. If you get that granular you *may* be able to go mostly by measurements to reach your goal. But you have to have previously established that satisfying all those measurements does in fact reach the real goal of evoking the proper listener response.

And speaking of measurements, are you talking in-room or anechoic? If anechoic, you can definitely come up with a speaker that measures well but has peaks and suckouts in-room. And if in-room, which room? Or do you do an average of several different room sizes and shapes with different amounts of furniture, carpet, and wall hangings?

Personally, I find that high resolution is vital for emotional musical involvement, but high resolution is also a two-edged sword. It can give you the little details of venue acoustics, inner detail, the complete formation and decay of notes, the artists' movements and breathing, individual characteristics of instruments and voices that bring the performance alive and connect you with the performers. It can also reveal flaws in the recording chain which--rather than enhancing the musical experience--harshly remind you that you're listening to a reproduction.

Getting the one kind of resolution without the other is the tricky part. That's why ultimately there has to be a subjective listening and voicing to balance musical resolution against anti-musical artifacts.
What if the choice was accurate vs. euphonic? Same parameters. Different semantics.

05-28-12: Khrys
What if the choice was accurate vs. euphonic? Same parameters. Different semantics.

I don't agree. "Analytical" is not synonymous with "accurate", nor is "musical" with "euphonic." One of the problems with measurements is they were only designed to measure sound, whereas musical sound is a subset with a more extensive and stringent set of requirements that include transient response, intermodulation distortion, panel resonances, power response, amplitude delineation, timing and pitch accuracy, the ability to handle complex polyphonies, and so on.

Meeting all the tests of test tones and tone bursts may determine that a speaker is "accurate," but doesn't totally address if it's musically accurate. A good example is that I never see tests for amplitude delineation, yet it's the most essential element in musical expression, nuanced dynamics, and the blending of an ensemble.
Hi all ! One thing I have noticed.....With analytical speakers I have to play certain Cd's in my collection to make them sound good . With musical speakers all my cd's sound good . They may not all sound great but I still enjoy them .
I went shopping for some headphones the other day and called it to my local hi-fi shop. I didn't know much about the headphone market and just started listening to various brands and models. Some were just boom boxes with bloated bass. Others were rather dry. The ones I liked the most were the AKG K601. Bass wasn't overpowering and there was plenty of glorious detail on guitar strings and cymbals and such.

So I went home to chew on it for the night and read reviews on the K601's before I pulled the trigger. It appears that a very popular peer of cans amongst audiophiles at the moment are Audeze LCD-2's. The K601's were also highly regarded in the same circles.

An interesting pattern emerges if you compare the frequency response of the two headphones I have mentioned plus some other more widely used headphones...

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID