Please point me to any of sound components “certified” by audition at the end of “measurements based” production line.
I have friends who are very highly respected designers/builders of sound components who would not think of shipping a component without listening to it. There are various small shops who do this. I’m not talking about the Marantz’s of the world, I’m talking about smaller shops that care about how things sound and know that measurements can’t tell you everything.
I was responding to “measurements mean zero” attitude, not specific posts.
Then you were responding (as far as I can see) to an attitude that does not exist. I don’t see where anybody advocates that measurements mean zero.
What I and others do advocate is the other end of the spectrum. That is...
measurements do not mean everything.. a very different thing.
But if you go to ASR that is what you get. If he can’t measure it then it does not exist. Measurements done with his audio analyzer are the only things that matter. He usually does not even say anything about the sound of an audio devices that he "reviews", and if he does and hears something that disagrees with his measurements he discounts it to expectation bias.
so to summarize, measurements are very important. Things that don’t measure well will not sound well. However, measurements are not the only thing.
The idea that we have identified and can measure everything that affects how something sounds is ludicrous. Can we definitively measure everything that affects our other senses (sight, touch, taste, smell) ?? Of course not. So why would anybody think we have gotten to the point we can definitively measure how something will sound?
we can’t