My Demo results: I feel like I'm at a frustrating block in my speaker journey


Hi all,

New poster and longtime lurker. 

As the title says, I feel like I'm at a frustrating endpoint in my audio quest, and hoping to draw from your guys' experience for some direction.

I bought my first speaker system a couple years ago because at my old house my tv speakers were not cutting it. 

First I bought an old budget pair of Klipsche bookshelves (P15s?  I dont really remember)  They were really shrill, and I sold them fairly quickly. 

After reading a bunch of the mainstream audio review sites (I now understand these platforms are often pay to play) I purchased the ELAC Unifi UF5 Towers.  These had beautiful, lush musical bass but sounded about engaging as energetic as a sponge.  They also had kind of a dark muffled sound at times- like there is a wet blanket over them.   Paradoxically, they also sound inorganic and kind of metallic. 

In the past few months I decided to start demoing speakers to see what I like.  Ive found some speakers that do certain things right, but not everything right.  Every one of the high-end, expensive speakers I have tried have had certain large flaws. I've been kind of shocked at this whole experience, because to my ears my $60 set of logitec computer speakers handily beats a number of speakers 50x more expensive. Like, they dont have great detail retrieval or clarity but at least they dont color the sound a ton, and they present very engagingly.

Im still lookijng for my goldilocks speaker.

  • Various Kefs- very similar to the ELACs but worse imo- very metallic and unengaging
  • Various B&W- Metallic, boring, no dynamics
  • Warfedale Evo 4.4- nice highs!  Absolutely sloppy bass (for my room at least) and terribly muddy mids
  • Tannoy Revolution 6XTE- Similar to above.  Very, very dark speakers.
  • Martin Logan 35XTI bookshelves-  Eureka!  These are much more organic and clear.  Guitars actually sound like guitars instead of a bad digital rendering of them.  Theres energy in what I listen to.  This is what I was missing in the others... things sound like theyre supposed to!   Only issue is they arent as full-bodied as towers.  They just cant play very loud and I wish they had more bass to be better full range speakers.    Somewhat more minor issue is that they sound slightly grainy.  Though thats not a total dealbreaker. 
  • Martin Logan 60XTI Towers- I had high hopes for these.... but where did the magic for the 35s go ML?  These are very "meh".  The highs and satisfying acoustic resonances are gone.
  • Focal Aria 906 bookshelves- holy clarity batman!  But it sounds almost too clinical to the point that theyre not engaging.
  • Focal Aria 948 Towers-  Holy clarity and body batman!  These sound almost perfect- but they dont quite come alive until higher volumes (and I have a small space), and there's still something missing... a certain *zing* in the acoustic guitar resonances. 
  • Def Tech 9060- Hard to describe.  Sometimes they sounded good, sometimes they sounded imprecise and like the drivers were way too small.  Bass gets bloaty in my room.  Theyre also ugly as hell. 
  • Ascend Sierra Tower with RAAL-  After all the others, I had only tthe ML 35XTIs and the focal 948s remaining.  I was hoping, based on my extensive reading of forums, that the ascend towers could give the best of both worlds- the clarity/full body of the focals with the acoustic resonance/energy/zing of the MLs.  Unfortunately I was once again disappointed.  They seem unbalanced to my ears.  Like, they have very punchy bass but they color the sound to be sweet and there seems to be something missing in the middle of the sound.... some body that just isnt there.  The highs are very sweet and engaging, but almost a little artificially so.  Where the MLs sound like an actual acoustic guitar being played in front of me, the Sierras make it sound unnaturally sweet or high.  Theres unnaturally sweet zzzing out of string instruments that I dont think actually sound that way....  Im bummed because I really wanted to like these speakers. 


I think I've established a list of qualities Im looking for:
  • The etched sound of the MLs
  • Full body and clarity of the Focals
  • The forward, engaging nature of the ascends
  • Not overly smooth
  • Not metallic (I dont think I like aluminum tweeters)
  • wide horizontal dispersion (my room is wider than it is long)

Where do I go from here?  Im at a loss.  Id appreciate any recommendations you guys have. 

mjt8

djones51
Having the sofa in front of the speaker I think you would get better results using bookshelf and sub.

+1 😬
Attempting to mix Home Theater and stereo audio is usually a disaster. You want stereo audio? Get rid of everything and start from scratch. No flat screen, no HT receiver, etc. Otherwise you'll be down this rabbit hole forever. 

Harsh but true. Ask me how I know ;-)
Mjt8, I love your post and, if you truly went through all the trouble involved with arranging demos of all or even most of the speakers mentioned, I am blown away by your tenacity.  Your post is perfect for driving audiophiles crazy.  Perhaps you should change your handle to "Goldilocks".

Firstly, here's an axiom for you to cogitate:  There is no such thing as a perfect speaker or a speaker that does it all, especially those in the price points you've been exploring.  (Acoustic suspension design generally does very well for reproducing the sound(s) of an acoustic guitar.  I play a 1972 Gibson.)

Secondly, probably more than any other audiophile component except maybe tube, solid state and Class D amps, speakers are an intensely personal choice.  Some ears prefer sound signatures others eschew and so forth.

Thirdly, perspective in photos is always difficult to glean but your listening set-up appears to have some definite challenges.  Virtually all listening rooms do.  It's difficult to estimate how close to the back wall those towers are.  Some speakers, including stand-mounters, need more breathing room than others.  I'm going to assume you took all of that and many other basics into consideration, although it certainly does seem a little more reading and research might help, judging from the extremely wide disparity of speakers you've been auditioning (e.g. speaker break-in; component-matching; etc.).  The lovely, plush love seat appears very close and directly in front of the left channel, which also appears to be in a corner.  Generally not a good idea.  The "sweet spot" for music listening appears to be the left end or section (from seated perspective) of that lovely, plush couch, which looks right.  I assume that's where you've done or have been doing your critical listening.  The wall cutout behind the couch/listening position is a definite factor but I think a good one for what appears to be a relatively small listening room with conventional 7' ceiling height.

Anyway, you've already received some very good feedback in this thread and again, considering the extremely wide disparity of speakers you've been auditioning and the multitude of other variables that need to be considered in order for you to achieve the sound quality you can live with contentedly, my advice would be to seriously consider an in-home consultation from a bona fide, qualified, trusted, experienced, professional audiophile, sound engineer, etc.; not just any yahoo from a local stereo shop but someone who actually knows what they're doing and can readily understand what you're after.  That, alone, will likely save you lots of time and dough compared to the endless search you've already embarked on.

Finally, out of curiosity, please let us all know when you've found the speakers that make you happy.  I'm especially interested as I am also embarked on the same quest.

Happy Hunting!    
Forgive the mistype but I meant to say that I own the ML 35XTs and they are the ones that are currently $400 each. Not the new 35XTi model. Also, I could be mistaken but the ceiling height definitely looks to be a more normal 8-9 feet. 
The 35XTI seems to have very pronounced mids 800-1800 Hz, like a plateau, which may be what you are looking for. Might not sound correct with recordings that already have full energy in this range.