Out goes the Old, In comes the New!


I love all the ages of audio. Every one of them has offered something. I'm down on the discrete era 1997-2015 for obvious reasons, over build, over pricing and only a volume control. The HEA magazines pulled off one amazing marketing run telling us to just keep buying upward, but I for one asked myself what's going to happen when the industry modernizes? If you've been to the CES the last 15 years it would be hard to miss that the new generation has reinvented listening. Not just Headsets but designing in general. We've also had hints of change by watching the development of Class-D components and modern sources. 5 or so years ago I mentioned that I was meeting with some of the younger innovative designers in audio on the Stereophile forum and was quickly trolled off the stage. It was kind of like some old folks were willing to protest "change" to the death. Well here we are 5 years later and HEA is on it's last CES leg while those innovations have become mainstream.

Threads are popping up on this and other forums suggesting HEA is dead or at least terminally ill. You have to be waring some pretty tinted rose colored glasses to miss this reality. Those who want to argue this can wait another 5 years I guess and see how many of their friends are still kicking, or buying new expensive High End gear vs the ones who have either settled into their last system or have embraced the less expensive better sounding hobby. Why do I think it will be better sounding? That's easy, lower mass and simpler designs, and very important "adjustability". Now I love vintage audio and own a lot of it. I also own some of the big boys of today and in my demo rooms have, and continue to pass through, a lot of products, old, new, big, small, expensive and inexpensive. I don't mind telling you that depending on how you setup your systems there is no money hierarchy any more. What there is are methods of listening that when you do them you find how things mate, and that's how you can determine if you wish to stay in the old school, discrete camp or become involved it the new age of audio.

So that's what this thread is about. Not changing anyone's mind just showing the differences and maybe a little of the comparing of apples and oranges.

Michael Green

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No amount of "tuning" is going to correct what's wrong with the cheap Crowns. Have a real electronic engineer look at a schematic, he'll tell you immediately. Those Crowns were tried by the guys on the Planar Speaker Asylum, and it wasn't pretty. They aren't even good enough for subwoofers, let alone full range.

This idea that doing superficial "tweaking" to a design that is inherently flawed can transform an amp is just silly. It reminds me of all the teenage boys in L.A. who put spoilers on their lowered Hondas.

No thanks bdp24, I like to do my own reviewing. As well I have plenty of EEs around me. You can hang out with the teenage boys in LA, not my scene obviously. "Spoilers, Hondas"?

I'm impressed by Crown's innovative and modern designing.

Michael Green

http://www.michaelgreenaudio.net/

Yeah, spoilers on Hondas. As in the spoiler doesn't change the design of the car---it's engine, transmission, suspension, the technical things that determine performance. The spoiler is just a conceit, like "tweaking" that does nothing to improve the circuit of, for instance, a power amp. High school boys in lowered Hondas with spoilers would pass me on the freeways in L.A. when I lived there. Those spoilers didn't magically turn their Hondas into BMW's, and tweaks don't make an amp more linear and stable, increase it's bandwidth, or produce less distortion. You know---Hi-Fi stuff.
^^^ Some of those kids refer to their Japanese cars as "Rice Rockets,"  and for good reason. How about a 1000 horsepower Toyota Cellica?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Bmh2_XgZM

And by the way, if you haven't tried a tweak that improves the SQ of an audio system, you  just haven't found the right tweaks. 

Frank

Oh, I do Frank. Townshend Audio Seismic Pods and platforms, Symposium Acoustics and Ingress Engineering Roller Blocks, DH Cones, BDR Cones and Blocks, SIMS Navcom Silencers, Herbies Tendefeet, EAR IsoDamp, tube dampers, VPI Magic Brick, silver ic and speaker cables, Bybee and Shunyata power conditioners and power cords, Shakti Stone, Tube Traps, diffusers, lots of others.

But the assertion that one can change the basic performance of an inherently flawed or compromised design (a power amp, for instance), turning it from a mass-produced mid-fi component into a product producing better sound than a product designed from the ground up as superior-performing one (define as you wish) is laughable. Removing a power transformer from a chassis CAN improve the sound of, say, a pre-amp (Ric Schultz did just that in his mod of the Audible Illusions Modulus), but that does nothing to change the pre-amp’s linearity, overload margin, stability, bandwidth, distortion, gain---the most basic jobs of a pre-amp. The claim that even more minor tweaks than removing a transformer will (heh) transform a pre-amp (or power amp, or, God forgive, receiver) are those of a charlatan.