Audiodesk Vinyl Cleaner Pro - Drying Issue


Hello,

Can anyone who owns an Audiodesk Vinyl Cleaner or the newer Pro version chime in with their experience on drying for me?  I recently bought the pro version myself.  The machine is supposed to clean and fully dry the record.  I am finding that mine does not fully dry the record.

As concerned as I am about this, I am still impressed by the machine.  However, I would like it to be doing all that it is designed to do.  I have spoken to the service department about this issue.  In fact, they replaced my machine with a new one in hopes that would solve the problem.  It did not.

My machine dries the record mostly, but not fully.  It leaves some minimal beads of water on the dead wax, the outer edge, and even on the grooves.  The problem is, regardless of the small quantity of moisture left, it is moisture.  If I put the record in the sleeve, the moisture is obvious, and it sticks to the sleeve.  

I have resorted to running the drying cycle a 2nd time (only possible on the pro model) or using a clean anti static cloth (made for photographic film) to soak up some of the moisture during the drying cycle, making the cycle more likely to finish the job.

Has anyone experience this with their version of the same machine?  What do you do to get the records perfectly dry? 

thanks!
Mark
marktomaras
Hi Mark,
I have an early version of the Audiodesk washer and I too have had this problem but only occasionally. It seems to occur mostly when I wash a number of records back to back.
My workaround is to use a clean paper towel and just using the very tip of a corner of the towel, simply touch the water bead and it will immediately get "slurped" up into the towel. The towel does not touch the record or, if it does, just barely causing no harm. I then stand the record up on a clean surface such that only its outer edge is leaning against a vertical clean surface and allow it to dry while I go on washing another record.
All this is a bit of a PITA but it beats other methods that I've used. I do agree however, that the dry cycle leaves a lot to be desired.
All the best, Fred
@fred_s 
thanks Fred.  Let me ask you this: were you under the impression that the machine should fully and completely dry the records?  If so, are you ok with your work around?  Or do you feel that you should have your machine repaired?
I use a AS myself but not an AD. Would it be anything to do with not enough surfactant causing the water to bead up?
I never had a problem with the record not being completely dry.  But, a little touch up drying would be the easiest cure (apart from just ignoring a little bit of water.  I have considered dampening the cleaned disc, as a final rinse and then drying it using my Nitty Gritty machine, but, that is way too much work for me.
The general response on this issue is with regard to the shape and age of the white wipers (something I assume you’ve investigated). If not, there’s been quite a bit already written on this already just a google away.

Another factor to consider is the humidity of your room. A dry room (20-35% hygrometer reading) makes static build up a beast, BUT record drying (literally) a breeze. A dehumidifier can help with this - albeit create other vinyl sensitive issues via static.

I think the surfactant mix comment earlier by @noromance is a good path to follow. Too much or not enough has its own issues. If you read the bottle (the AD fluid) it says the solution is suitable for a 5L mix of distilled water. The machine, however, holds 4.5L. Thus, if you follow the bottle directions, you end up with extra fluid that you can use to top off the machine over time - essential if you have a highly evaporative/dry room like mine. The ratio of solvent to distilled water is different if you just mix the one bottle into 4.5L. In fact, if you never read the bottle instructions, every other piece of literature/review/video always references the machine capacity of 4.5L (not the actual instructions on the bottle label itself).

On another forum, Mike Lavigne (@mikelavigne also a longtime Agon community member) has experimented with different ratios of fluid:water with different results. A part of the solution is a drying agent - as well as anti-static solvent. Thus the proper mix for your machine, weight of vinyl lp (thick to thin), health of the white wipers, humidity of environment, temperature of your room, type of water you are using (Distilled, RO, DI, etc.), mixed with your own personal set of patience expectations = what to do next.

I hope this helps. And yes, for those wondering, I don’t have any drying issues on my year old-ish AD VC Pro. I also follow with a rinse cycle and vacuum dry on my Clearaudio RCM. An additional rinse makes a difference.

As with all things in this hobby: Everything matters. Good luck. Cheers.