Paradigm Signature S8 V2 review


Recently moved into a house with my own sound room 16x12x8. I am aware of the integer factor of its size. Plush carpet. Other than the couch and stereo, nothing else is in the room.

Physically, the S8's are awesome. I got the cherry finish (standard) and despite this it looks phenomenal. I would of prefered Rosewood but no luck. I found the black gloss TOO glossy and not to my liking. Easily streaked with fingers. Despite being tall they are not TOO tall. Make sure you use a chair that is high enough. They are fairly deep (21 inches) but from the front you would never know it. Only from the side do you get any idea. Just using the supplied feet they are stable and do not resonate or vibrate under louder music. Very impressive. With the grille on they are somewhat boring, but with the grille off they are stunning. I am trying both styles, grille on or off and cannot decide what sounds better. They are designed to be played with the grille on I know, but I cannot see (or hear) much difference myself. Just me and I prefer seeing the driver array. Frankly, I think it is a total shame to make such a good looking driver array only to hide it. I hope Paradigm, in the future, makes them such that the grille is optional.

Sonically, I am blown away. For almost 20 years I have used supertweeters (Realistic stand alone models) to add some sparkle on the high end. I have grown accustomed to this style of sound. I no longer need them. The Beryllium tweeter is simply a revelation. Highs are extended, sharp, refined, detailed without being grating on the ears. Inner detail is amazing. Cymbals, high hat and other sharp sounds are exactly that, but sweet as well. I am happy I am not using the supertweeters anymore but find I get the sound I like.

Midrange is equally impressive. Voices are detailed, natural and sweet. I am not going to comment the sound it either forward or recindent, as a simple tweak of an EQ could change this. But the mids seem equal to the highs. Neither seems detached or separate from each other. Just sound in harmony.

Low end is simply amazing. You might read reviews that question the need for a sub and I fully agree. I suppose you could argue that you HOPE you do not need a sub given the fact each speaker has 4 7" cones for bass alone, and despite this the bass is not heavy or slow. Impact is forceful but sharp and fast. Bass is extended (I can easily get low 30's in my room, and it only begins to fade out in the high 20's) so the spec of them only going to 42Hz is completely false. I suspect some movie buffs out there would use a sub anyway, and for films I would probably agree for the impact, but for strict music I would NOT need one. I have a sub. It is a custom made 1" MDF box with 2 10" Alpine R10 car subs in it, each in its own sealed subenclosure. Each sub gets 250 high current watts from a separate power amp (Parasound HCA 2200II) and is driven with an outboard crossover (Mirage LFX 2). So it is safe to say I can get low end. But I do not use it. I have the sub hooked up (running the mains full range) but do not feel the sub adds anything. The S8's give me everything I need.

Now.

I must stress this point. I am running the S8's with a Bryston 14B SST (less than 6 months old). The amp itself is sweet, extended and robust in the low end. All this helps get the best possible sound from the S8's. I cannot stress enough that the best results come from using robust amps with excellent current delivery. Hoping to maximize the S8 with an All-In-One receiver is a dream. I do not feel the wattage is as important as the current ability but it helps. I do not use more than 10 watts on average, and up to 25 watts the amp is class A, so read into that what you want. But the fact is: better amps yield better sound. I am sure the same could be said with Classe, McIntosh, Krell et al, but get a GOOD amp if you want to REALLY hear them sing. Of course, better preamps and source components help too, but the amp is critical to getting the cones to move with force yet control.

I am using UltraLink SW 1412 speaker wire run bare into the S8. I am NOT getting into the cable debate. These are just fine; you may not think so but that is up to you. The results I get are fantastic as is. Interconnects are Pythons.

Overall I am completely floored how good they sound and look. The pride of ownership feeling, so critical to true enjoyment, is present in every facet. I am glad I got the Beryllium version. I heard the G Pal version and MUCH prefer the Be version. I find it makes a big difference to the sound and image. Ditto for the new midrange (CoPal). The improvements made to the V2 over the previous version are all for the better. I admit the speaker/amp combo is not cheap, and I realize not everyone can afford this combo, but if you index the cost verses the lifespan of the speakers and amp (the speakers should easily last 20 years as my previous Paradigms were still kicking at 16 years old and the Bryston has a 20 year warranty) it actually is not bad in the long run. I specifically got the best I could afford knowing it was a long term purchase. And the fact both are what I wanted and love is even better. I originally did not consider the S8's but I am glad I did. I think it was better to get full range floorstanders than try to get S4's or S6's and try to integrate a sub (nothing against the S4 or S6 but using a sub with the amp I have is a total waste of the amp as I have found out). But cost aside, you definitely get your money's worth and considering the lifespan of the speakers, they are a steal, really. What's more, I got mine on sale (I made my deposit on the last day of the sale I did not even know about) and saved about $1500. Talk about fate. I was totally prepared for the retail price (talked down a bit) but to get them brand new, no blemishes or problems was even better. The B+W 803D's I was considering were more expensive, by a large margin, and the store would not dicker on the price. Enough said.

The only thing I am going to do is look into a 1/3 octave or parametric EQ to tame the room imposed EQ curve and to ensure the wall outlets are wired for 20 amp service to ensure no voltage drop. I am looking into a GOOD conditioner and maybe this will help, but we will see. As it stands, I am in heaven and have waited a long time for it.
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Acdvd:

Regarding the tweeter of the S4: The Beryllium tweeter is the same for the entire Signature line. The same high end I get with the S8 is the same you would get (assuming the room is not completely padded etc..). Now regarding the rest....

The mids will be just as nice, but given the mid unit is a mid/bass driver and NOT a dedicated mid driver the mids will be SLIGHTLY different, but I cannot say. As I write this the Signature Line brochure is to my left, and from that I can tell you the S4 is different in the mids. As to how it will sound, well, it is hard to say. A dedicated mid unit will be a bit more refined, but that is hard to say as anything you will notice unless under direct comparison to the S8. Not likely in your sound room. Obviously the bass will be different. I am not saying bad, but different. The S4 will not go as deep or with as much force as the S8 will, but for music it would be satisfying, especially if the room is smaller. In fact, in some of the reviews on Paradigms' web site some allude to the fact a S4/sub combo is a cheaper way to get an S8. The only downside is making sure the sub/sat integration is proper, which is hard to do. But as a speaker alone they are very satisfying IF you are not into bass heavy music OR are NOT into bass rich music sound in any way. Imaging is excellent as is texture and quality, but compared to the S8 it is hard to expect to get the same sound given the obvious differences. Teamed up with a sub, or dual subs and proper tweaking, I cannot see how the S4 could not be as good, or even superior, to the S8.

The only reason I did not go the S4/sub route was the fact my amp was a high end unit that has excellent low end and I felt teamed up with a capable floorstander I could do away with a need for a sub. I do NOT use it for movies in any way. But IF I did need a sub the crossover point would be in the high 30's, so you can see a sub is irrelevant. Crossing over any later would waste the S8 and amp and that is not what I want to do. Not to say I would not do it later if I had a larger room or whatever, but for now running the S8 full range with the amp I have is fully satisfying. My Telarc Digital discs do just fine as is. In fact, running a sub (that I have) adds nothing except to rob power from the wall that the amp could use to its fullest need.
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I have listened to the Legacy Signatures but they are way too big and its an old model and does not compare to the Legacy Focs.
Did you hear the Legacy Focus? They are very good but very expensive here in Australia.
Do you recall what Focals you heard?
How are you finding the midrange and tweeter and imaging? Is the sound very open? Someone said the Beryllium tweeter sounds a bit shrill? Do you find it harsh at all or bright?

I will try audition them tomorrow.
Thanks for your help
People who think Beryllium sounds "shrill", "harsh" or "bright" are doing something wrong. With regard to the Be Focals, the Beryllium tweeter and W midrange are extremely open.
Acdvd, sorry but I did not get any more info on the Legacy when I was told the price. Outside of my budget. I have listened to several of the Focal models as they are carried at the shop I buy almost off of my equipment from. They are very nice speakers but I never fell in love with them.

The S4 imaging is fantastic and the sound is much more open than I am used to. The most striking thing to me is the way the cymbals sound 'decays' after being struck. It just goes on and on....

One caveat....I changed out my Jolida Phonostage for a JLTi wall wart phonostage one week prior to getting the speakers. That had a big difference in the sound also but I did not really get 'used' to it before upgrading the speakers. The sound is not harsh or bright at all, to my ears. But from reading many speaker reviews I suspect they might be to some listeners.

Let us know how your audition goes.
I have the Legacy focus 20/20's and I have also owned the new signeture line. To say the least Ive had 10 speakers in my home(all over $2200 retail) and none have beat my focus 20/20's. They say the new focus HD are better. Anyway, there has been speakers that do this better or that better, but the focus 20/20's in my system with AB comparisons show the focus to just be more musical. They are just much more relaxed, with a perfect balance in response. Not to mention the only speaker that truely doesnt need a sub. So in a 2 channel system spending less on a pair of speakers, could end up costing more when you purchase a decent sub, and in some cases a sms-1 to make that sub flat in your room which is not easy to achieve in most rooms without one.

In all fairness the Paradigm Signature speakers were close to the focus 20/20's. I could easily live with either. I would say if you prefer imaging,detail the most, maybe go with the paradigms(brighter but not harsh as well). And if you like musicality, but yet a speaker that also does everything else well(detail,imaging,etc)go with the paradigms. I would rate both as follows in head to head comparisons, money not a factor.

Paradigm
detail 9.5
transparency 9.5
dynamics range 9.0
volume(loudnes) 8.0
full range ability no sub 8.0
Imaging 9.5
disappears in the room 9.5
soft levels enjoyment 7.0
easy to drive 8.0

Legacy
detail 8.5
transparency 8.5
dynamic range 10
volume(loudness) 10
full range capability 10
imaging 9.0
disapears in the room 9.5
soft levels enjoyment 9.5
easy to drive 10

Really it came down to what you prefer with these speakers. The paradigms have more detail, but the Legacys sound musical and consistant from song to song, album to album,cd to cd, etc.