Jazz for aficionados

Frogman, in response to: Juilliard was in reference to a musical institute of higher learning. We could have substituted your favorite school, there was no "subterfuge" in my post, it was direct.

Those three clips I posted was honoring "Pepper Adams", and Rok made the statement that "Night in Tunisia" sounded better than the original, since I knew what he meant, I agreed.

Conservatory trained is an absolute asset; musicians that were not, would have, if they could have; gone to a conservatory.

Those musicians did a marvelous job of "imitating" the original; Ronnie Cuber did an especially good job of imitating Pepper Adams; but having the ability for the original improvisation is what counts. That clip was my mistake, it should have been Mingus and Pepper Adams.

A large photograph of Pepper Adams appears in Baroness Pannonica De Koenigswarter's book.  Commonly known as "Nica", she was a patron of jazz musicians of her era; that large photograph is a statement that speaks for itself.

Her book "Three Wishes", is a compilation of photographs of jazz legends, and their three wishes in life.

In response to your "encouragement", I have both feet plus body and soul in the past; "short timers" count every second, and I don't have any to waste.

O-10, thanks for your response. For the sake of hopefully interesting discussion:

What makes you think that Cuber was imitating Adams? He was not. He was improvising around the music AS WRITTEN by Mingus bringing his own style to it. He sounded very different from Pepper. Also, why do you assume that the “new generation” of players are not improvising? You seem to be suggesting that only the players from the past improvised. Obviously, not so. Different, yes; and in some ways more harmonically advanced. Anyone of us may not like this newer, harmonically thornier style, but it is certainly spontaneous improvisation and it is the nature of this music to build on what came before it. I look forward to your comments.

If I made the mistake of assuming that the music was something I liked a lot, how could I not like the music.

In regard to how different Cuber sounded from "Pepper Adams", someone else will have to decide that, I'm not qualified.

Call it "improvising" or what you like, but when someone mistakes it for the original, I call it imitating.

So many jazz artists I've known were like "shooting stars", they came on brilliant and fast but didn't last. Although their very sketchy bios can be found in "Wikipedia", I don't have anything to add in regard to their personal life.

While they could do flat out unbelievable things on their instruments of choice, those things aren't recorded. While what is recorded is very good, it doesn't compare to what we fans witnessed live before they died.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sORyNSnnXMs


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sORyNSnnXMs


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXdqwiD5_fM


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNkag9AKgbA


They could make fire and smoke come out of an organ; if only they had lasted, you would have the opportunity to hear what I heard. What do you think about what I've presented?







         

Jimmy Smith certainly lasted. This has been presented before, but one more time wont hurt;


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP4LGEAfUEY