Planar speaker placement


Hi again. I just came across this, being new to the hobby, but would like to put it forth for those few who might not know it yet, and to get feedback from those that do and have experience with it. It being hk/limage theory speaker placement. I tried this with my Maggies and, holy cow. What a difference it made in my room! The speakers disapear from the room and the soundstage is amazing. The speakers are brought out about 40%of the room size from the wall, instead of the usual 2-4 ft, set very close to the sidewall, amd tweeters on inside. I'm sure the regulars here have heard about it, and would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks for your time.
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There are extensive threads on the Maggie HK/Limage room placement on the Planar Asylum discussion forum. I have tried it many, many times over the past few years.  The benefits IN MY ROOM (14X20) are phenomenal, jaw dropping soundstage and depth.  The images of every instrument simply float behind the plane of the speakers. Every Maggie owner with a shoe boxed sized room should experiment with it. Note to those not familiar with the set up, it requires the panels to be about 40%+ out from FW, close to the side wall and perfectly parallel with the FW (no toe in at all) with tweets in. 

That said, I never stick with it long term in my room. I believe my room may be a little too wide. Regardless, when I measure the frequency response in my room it shows a large hump from about 500 to 1khz, followed by a cavernous drop around the crossover range, before recovering over 3 or 4khz.  Wendell at Magnepan advises that the "i" models should be used with the tweeters further away than the woofers. My experience with the 3.7 i reinforces this recommendation. Failure to do so almost always creates a suck out at the crossover between mids and highs, and a glare in the middle midrange. The Limage set up does exactly this in my room.  I had similar problems with an older pair of Maggie IIIa's, indeed the midrange emphasis was even more extreme. 

My preferred set set up in my room is either tweets out about 7.5 feet from FW with the tweets about 83% as far apart as I am from each other as I am from them, or with the speakers further apart but tweets in with a LOT of toe in.  The ratio is again around 83% or so.  In every case the woofer panels need to be closer than the tweets -- about two inches is often best. Again this leads to minimal toe in if tweets are out, and extreme toe in with tweets in. 

I understand that that some people try the Limage set up and never go back. Their rooms may be better for it (narrower or less damped) or they may be less affected or bothered by the frequency effects of tweets substantially closer than mid and bass panel. 

Droleg, could you perhaps share the frequency chart you are getting in your room? Are you able to avoid these pitfalls in your room somehow?
Cardiffkook, i would love to share but i have no frequency charts or analyzer to quantify overblown or lacking areas.  I believe it was the planar asylum forum where i came across this several weeks ago,  and have been experimenting with ppacement. But, for some reason, i do non seem to be getting a pronounced holes or overliness of frequencies in my room. Maybe the shape of my room, room tx, or my aging, not so acute hearing. Room is carpeted, w/2 rows of theater seating, 26x16. Walls are 6ft fertical, then slope in some , then horizontal ceiling at 10 ft tall. Speakers 9 ft from fw  and seating position 9ft back from plane of spkrs.  Not quite the 40% off front wall, but so far, seems to have best effect, but still moving them around and auditioning different arrangements.
Previously I had a large planer speaker and I found out exactly as the originator of the question himself experienced.  Even today with Martin/Logan SL-3 speakers I get much the same results.  Anyway in both examples I have eperienced, much, much of the actual spacial experience comes from behind the speskers themself.  Even more so if one listens quite close to the speakers themself.  The closer one gets also all the many problems associated with room reflections themself dissaper.  Thus the additional benefit of not requiring so many of the room treatment products avaliable today.  And they can get quite expensive themself.  Again, with planer speakers, the more you move them close to you, it is so much easier to become one with the music itself.  More like being there.  More real.
Again, with planer speakers, the more you move them close to you, it is so much easier to become one with the music itself.  More like being there.  More real.
Nearfield with big panels is IMHO more like listening to big headphones or like sitting within the orchestra... which is a very unusual seat :)