Can I use a SUT or head amp with my 60dB Coph Nia MC phono preamp?


Since I use a passive preamp, I am running into low gain issues with my .4mV MC cartridge (Denon DL-301 MkII) and my Coph Nia phono preamp.  The Coph Nia is marketed as a MC phono stage, with a fixed gain of 60dB.  It does have adjustable loading, however, with one of the settings being 47kohm.  So my question is whether it would be possible to use a SUT with this phono stage, and if so, what would the recommended spec be for it?  Or would I be able to use a MC head amp with adjustable gain, such as the Rothwell Headspace (with 4 gain settings between 10dB and 27dB)?  I know there are other head amps out there as well, I just use that one as an example.  

I appreciate the input and education!

Tom
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A SUT really isn't designed to be used with a high gain phono preamp such as yours. I'm not familiar with your phono stage, but it's likely it will be overloaded if you put a SUT in front of it. A better approach would be to use a higher gain phono cartridge, an active line stage, and/or a higher gain phono stage. You're trying to make something work using parts not intended to be used together.
If you set the load resistance to 47K, there is no real reason you cannot use a SUT with your phono preamplifier, provided, as CLeeds mentions, the phono input will not be overloaded. However, I am not sure from what you’ve written that you really need a SUT, because with 60 db gain, it is not immediately obvious to me that you do not have adequate gain for a 0.4mV cartridge output, on paper at least. (Is the "0.4mV" based on a velocity of 3.54cm/sec, the old standard, or 5cm/sec?) I’ve never heard of the Coph Nia, but perhaps you should consult the manufacturer. Be aware of the effect of the SUT on impedance, if you go down that road. Which is why I say you would want to set the input load to 47K; SUTs like to see that resistance on the secondary side. Likewise, you could also use a "head amp", assuming by that you refer to an outboard active gain stage designed to be inserted between the cartridge and the phono input. But at most, you only need a few db additional gain, if what you have seems insufficient, and if the cause can be determined to be lack of phono gain.  

Check to see if there is an impedance matching problem between the output of the Coph Nia and the passive attenuator or between the passive attenuator and your amplifier. Also, check the input sensitivity of your amplifier. (These are other causes of that "lack of gain" feeling.)

It’s defintely a lack of gain issue between the .4mV Denon and the 60dB Coph Nia, when used with the passive pre. The amp I’m using is a First Pass J2. I have plenty of gain with the passive pre when I use my DAC/CDP combo, it’s just a phono stage issue. It’s not that it won’t get loud, as I can get to about 91dB-93dB at my listening position at full throttle. But that’s just not enough with some recordings (think Zeppelin or Floyd). In most cases it’s fine, albeit I have to turn the volume knobs (it’s a dual mono passive) up quite a way.

I should’ve left off the SUT comment, as I pretty much knew I wouldn’t be able to go that route. I was more curious about a head amp with adjustable gain, since some of those can go down to a 10dB or so gain.