Impossible? Small towers, efficient, musical, loud


I've been reading on threads here for different speakers that sound good with rock, which is my primary pleasure. But I am also a lover of high fidelity and do not want to compromise on sound quality, so this isn't necessarily about speakers that just sound good with rock. My situation may be a paradox or impossible, but I'm hoping I can be enlightened favorably. I'm looking for smallish floorstanders that are tube friendly, placement friendly, and can still sound nice and full at reasonable to loud levels.

Room is an open design roughly 23' wide, 12' deep and vaulted ceilings 8-12' high. Listening area is 15' wide as opposed to the 23'. Speakers must go along the wide wall at 10' apart, one speaker is in a corner. Listening position is 10' from the speakers. I can pull the speakers out at most 2' away from the walls, depending on how large the cabinets are.

Associated gear:
Cary Rocket 88R (30w triode/60w ultralinear)
Promitheus passive TVC Ref 4
Eastern Electric minimax cd

The amp and the TVC are new, haven't yet received them yet in fact but will be replacing my current gear.

Current speakers are Usher 6381, large speakers that I believe are too big for my room. With the tiny amount I can pull them away from the walls, staging is pretty flat, though surprisingly I haven't had any issues with bass boom. Hoping to put them up for sale/trade soon and wanted some feedback on what I should be looking at.

I was considering something like the smaller Silverlines (though they may not be good enough) or perhaps some Devore's. Above all I value musical speakers that emanate a sense of realism. I don't require subterranean bass, just a natural, full sound that doesn't sound wanting without a sub. Musicality is key.

Thanks in advance
tholt
Impossible.

Efficiency is at best inversely proportional to cabinet size. Cut cabinet size in half from a reasonable 4 cubic feet (for 40Hz exension) and efficiency goes down 3dB.

Efficiency is at best inversely proportional to the cube of the low frequency cut-off. Increase bass extension in a small speaker from 80Hz to 40Hz and its efficiency decreases 9dB.

Switching to separate woofers (I wouldn't really call an enclosure covering up to 80 or 100Hz a sub-woofer) will help with small main-enclosure size.

>Current speakers are Usher 6381, large speakers that I believe are too big for my room.

Provided that you can sit far enough from multi-way speakers for the drivers to integrate properly (10' should do it) you can't have speakers too big for the room.

With a small room and high fundamental resonance you may get room gain in the audio pass-band; although a high-pass filter may be a better option than changing speakers. Your room's fundamental resonance is at 24.6Hz so this isn't an issue.

>Room is an open design roughly 23' wide, 12' deep and vaulted ceilings 8-12' high. Listening area is 15' wide as opposed to the 23'. Speakers must go along the wide wall at 10' apart, one speaker is in a corner. Listening position is 10' from the speakers. I can pull the speakers out at most 2' away from the walls, depending on how large the cabinets are.

Your biggest problems are the speaker in the corner, the speakers too close to the front wall, and your seat too close to the back wall. NO speakers are going to provide high-fi performance with that asymetric placement without changes to the input signal.

At low frequencies speakers are completely omnidirectional. A 100Hz wave is 11' long and wraps around any speaker you can fit in your living room like it isn't there. Most audiophile speakers have the on-axis sound cut at high frequencies so there's more output at low frequencies to compensate for this loss. When the front or side wall is nearby wall the energy is not lost and the reflections are closer to in-phase so they add for a big bass (through lower midrange in extreme cases) boost. This can be 5dB for one wall or 10dB in a corner which provides Bose-like frequency response and sound (good frequency response isn't +/- 1dB before you get the room involved).

Sitting nearer to the wall increases the frequency below which all frequencies add-in phase with their rear wall first reflection. Getting too close (6' is probably a good number, since it keeps the first reflection 10ms out) also means that your brain is integrating more of the rear-wall first reflection into the direct sound at high frequencies.

Shelving high-pass filters (as on a pro-sound parametric equalizer) or DSP room correction (Audyssey, TACT, DEQX, etc) will fix the excessive bass problem. A piece of rigid fiberglass (preferably thicker) on the wall behind your seating position will help, with such products available with attractive fabric (even printed) coverings for increased spousal acceptance.

Ripping some favorite tracks, measuring with an inexpensive Radio Shack SPL meter, correcting for C weighting, and adjusting those tracks with free software (maybe Audacity?) before writing them to a CD-R would be interesting. Stop correction at a few hundred hertz - your worst problems are at low frequencies and at low enough frequencies your brain needing a few cycles to pickup a tone means steady-state power response is a reasonable approximation of what you hear.

There may also be modal issues.
Merlin VSM should do it, and are among the best speakers made, if you don't neet the lowest octave, down to 30hz or so they are world-class.
The Mirage OM3-FS is 93 dB efficient in-room, in a 42" tower with a 5-1/2 x 6-1/8" profile. They're practically invisible, yet can fill a large living space with sound. They are very dynamic, yet excellent with inner detail and clarity. Best of all is how they energize the entire listening space with a radiating pattern that approximates live performers. The result is a natural, timbre-correct sound, a totally stable soundstage, and large sweet area with no suckouts, lobing, or venetian-blind effect. They are also amp-friendly--30wpc should give you about 108-110 dB clean, in-room.

The only downside is the very bottom octave. These are good down to about 50 Hz, but can use a little help below that. They don't need much--a small sub the size of a 9" cube should do the trick, and would be easy to hide.

I strongly recommend you audition these--they practically re-define what a speaker this small, driven by a modest amount of power, can do in a large space.

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Mirage or any Mirage dealers in any way. I've been a satisfied customer for a dozen years, but have been particularly captivated by their current offerings using the Omniguide and ribbed elliptical cone surrounds.
You might want to consider an older generation pair of Merlin VSM, like the SE. These speakers were IMHO voiced a little thin through the mid-bass and I found that the octave to octave balance actaully benefited from near (front) wall placement, though I thought the VSM's wonderful imaging capabilities suffered a little.

The corner/sidewall placement issue will be tough on any speaker, including the VSM SE. Horns and other "waveguide" designs that control dispersion may reduce problems at higher frequencies, but problematic bass issues will be tough to avoid. Sub/sat designs are probably your safest bet, with the sub tightly in the corner and the sats as far out as you can manage.

Good Luck

Marty

The current gen VSM (while IMHO terrific speakers) are pretty much neutrally balanced and you might find yourself with something of the same problem you have now. Also, IMHO none of the VSMs show their best at really high SPL.

Good Luck

Marty
As much as I like Merlins (I owned the mxe's for a while), I wouldn't recommend them for someone whose favorite music is rock. Imaging and detail are to die for on the Merlins, but they are not the best for rock IMHO, as there are more dynamic and punchier speakers out there.

In my opinion the Gallo 3.1s would be a great choice for your situation, but I'd sell the tube amp and get a high current class D or A/B SS amp with these. I had Cary sixpacs on these, and the bass was loose and floppy. A wyred 4 sound amp cleaned that right up.