Upgrade Path - Integrated or Power Amp????

Many very good integrated amps today provide a pass-through feature (or throughput) which allows the integrated to act as a simple slave to the home theater receiver when watching movies (thus one remote). Then when listening to two channel it would provide a significant upgrade to your receiver and get the most out of your Utopias - IMHO.
I think a general rule of thumb is that preamps are more critical to the things you mentioned than amps. For $5,000 you could do VERY well in the integrated amp scene. I would actually spend under that amount and perhaps upgrade your interconnects, power cords, and speaker wire (this may be some of your problem). The best way to be sure is to experiment.

Thanks guys for the advice.

I am totaly happy with home theatre at the moment so getting 5 channels of amplification might be overkill. i am very interested in this pass-through feature, so had a look for myself, seems the more expensive integrateds all have this feature.

however, so do lots of high end 2 channel pre-amps it seems.

so now the new question is, do i get a pre amp now and then power amps later, or just an integrated and be done with it?

i'm going to go to the shops to audition this weekend, but i don't get the chance very often due to work so want to be able to test as much as i can when i am there and don't want to waste time. your advice would help alot in that respect.

thanks

715018, I had the same dilema as you are having now about a year ago. I ended up getting an inegrated amp to use with the ht system.

If you do decide to get an integrated amp, just make sure it has a pre-out on it, cause you will need it interconnect to your receiver cd input for your sub. The above message to mess around with two volume controls is really not that bad, once you know what to put them at. You will have to get some extra interconnects to do this.

Good luck with your search, if you have any questions, post or e-mail me.

If you decide to get seperates, I would avise getting a power amp first. The speakers you have can handle a big amp no problem. It will also upgrade both 2 channel and HT because you will always use it. Im not sure how much of a benefit a pre-amp will have on your HT. It sounds like you want to go with an integrated. That's a good choice to.

Just went through the exact decision making process in the last few months.
I really wanted to improve my 2 channel sound and was quite satisfied with my HT performance of my Denon 5.1 receiver.
I did add a better power amp for the fronts only (Parasound 125 x2) and the overall sound was very good for two channel.
I was using the Denon receiver analog bypass setting for two channel to take the processing of the signal out.

I finally decided to get an integrated (Musical Fidelity A300) and the improvement in the sound has been enormous.
Clearly the preamp section on my Denon receiver was a limiting factor in many of the ways you described (congestion at high volumes, soundstage, etc).

If you have 5K$ to spend your choices are almost unlimited.
I don't think you need to spend that much on an integrated or a pre/power setup unless you really want to.

I went with an integrated as it seems like finding a preamp and them matching with a power amp is some kind of black art or like finding a religion.
With an integrated you know the pre and power sections are well matched.
With your budget I would look at Plinius on the low end or you can go higher to a Levinson if you want. Not sure when the law of diminishing returns kicks in.

In short, Bwyoung is right- the preamp section is very important. My uneducated guess is that the Marantz reciever two channel analog section is only just pretty good. A dedicated preamp and power setup, or a nice integrated would be a big step up.

Oh, and definitely get an integrated with preouts if you go that route. My MF A300 has them and it makes setting up the sub easy.

Have fun!