Why Do So Many Audiophiles Reject Blind Testing Of Audio Components?


Because it was scientifically proven to be useless more than 60 years ago.

A speech scientist by the name of Irwin Pollack have conducted an experiment in the early 1950s. In a blind ABX listening test, he asked people to distinguish minimal pairs of consonants (like “r” and “l”, or “t” and “p”).

He found out that listeners had no problem telling these consonants apart when they were played back immediately one after the other. But as he increased the pause between the playbacks, the listener’s ability to distinguish between them diminished. Once the time separating the sounds exceeded 10-15 milliseconds (approximately 1/100th of a second), people had a really hard time telling obviously different sounds apart. Their answers became statistically no better than a random guess.

If you are interested in the science of these things, here’s a nice summary:

Categorical and noncategorical modes of speech perception along the voicing continuum

Since then, the experiment was repeated many times (last major update in 2000, Reliability of a dichotic consonant-vowel pairs task using an ABX procedure.)

So reliably recognizing the difference between similar sounds in an ABX environment is impossible. 15ms playback gap, and the listener’s guess becomes no better than random. This happens because humans don't have any meaningful waveform memory. We cannot exactly recall the sound itself, and rely on various mental models for comparison. It takes time and effort to develop these models, thus making us really bad at playing "spot the sonic difference right now and here" game.

Also, please note that the experimenters were using the sounds of speech. Human ears have significantly better resolution and discrimination in the speech spectrum. If a comparison method is not working well with speech, it would not work at all with music.

So the “double blind testing” crowd is worshiping an ABX protocol that was scientifically proven more than 60 years ago to be completely unsuitable for telling similar sounds apart. And they insist all the other methods are “unscientific.”

The irony seems to be lost on them.

Why do so many audiophiles reject blind testing of audio components? - Quora
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Showing 12 responses by mapman

Hmm well I agree nobody has to prove anything to anyone.

But if one is going to make a claim about x sounding better than y, then it sure helps to be able to test that hypothesis in an unbiased manner.

Not required though. Reputation alone can go a long way to help convince others of something.  Personally, I'd rather just listen to and enjoy whatever I think sounds good.  It's not a competition.  OR is it?
Uh, oh, people putting words in  my mouth.....  I spit them back out at you.   Read what people  say not what you think.   Better listening skills I hope.  Live and learn.  Test too!!! Its all real, very real!!!
Mapman - trying and failing is not testing.


Well more exactly its a failed test but so what?
you dont learn stuff like that from testing nerds. You get it in the field trying, failing and learning.

Extra extra: trying failing and learning is called testing. Nerds are people too as gear nuts prove every day.

Not sure what people are even arguing about. Just do your own tests your way when you choose. Or not. Its all good. May you test long and prosper!

Let’s just ban everyone so the world is a cooler place and more time to listen to, not test, all the wonderful hifis with golden ears.

Cheers!


Uh, folks breaking news: double blind IS a form of listening and learning. So it sounds like everyone agrees that is a good thing, but of course there is a place and time for everything.

Right?
Chill out folks. Nobody is going to come knocking to blind test your stuff without permission. If they do give them the boot. It’s your domain and your right to prohibit any practice you like. Let the test police find some other poor victim to harass!  Does it ever end?
Yes it’s a very imperfect world out there but Audiogon members on threads are working hard to somehow make it better.  Thank G-d they got their hifis and what they think they hear to help stay sane. 
Perhaps the reality is people approve of this testing before they buy but not so much after?
Obviously no testing is much better than blind testing. Or not-blind. Testing is hard work......who needs it? People have better things to do with their golden ears like listen to the things they know they  like. So what if there might be something better? Beauty is in the ear of the listener.