Which "stand alone" processor ???


I recently disconnected the pre / processor / tuner ( Denon AVP-8000) that i was running in my HT system due to "upgraditis" or "audio fever". As such, i temporarily replaced it with one of my two channel preamps ( Marsh P2000 ). I chose the Marsh out of my collection as it offers good versatility with quite a few inputs along with a full function remote. After all, who wants to get up to adjust the volume when watching a movie : )

The synergy that this created with the Sunfire Signature (mains) and Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature (center, surrounds, subs)is quite excellent. It's given me the "fullness" and "musicality" that i was always lacking up to this point in time. On top of this, my "big box" towers have now seemed to disappear. While they have always imaged quite well, you could always tell where the speakers were. The music is now filling the room instead of coming from specific points along the front wall. With such unexpected results, i've decided to leave this combo in place and seek out a seperate processor.

For the record, i've had pre / tuner / processors from Denon ( AVP 8000 ), Parasound ( I think it was the 1800 ??? ), Marantz (AV-9000), etc.. I went this route as a matter of convenience and space saving. Prior to this, i had a seperate tuner (Yamaha TX-950), preamp (AGI 511A) and processor ( Technics AC-300 ) in this system that worked okay, but was just too much in terms of rack space and was tonally lean overall. Since the current Marsh / Sunfire combo is by far the best sound that i've ever gotten out of this system, i'm willing to "eat up space" again in order to maintain the level of sonics that i've now achieved.

Maybe it's the fact that i'm listening in two channel rather than surround that seems "more natural". The funny thing is that i'm now using the stock DAC in the DVD player ( Sony DVP-650C) with far better than expected results. I was using the DAC's in the various processors in all of the other installations. I did this because the Sony had what seemed like way too much "digital glare" when trying to use it by itself in the past. Either way, i now have the most seamless sound with a bigger, deeper soundstage than this system has ever given me. I'm really wondering how much "bigger" it can get with all of the speakers running.

Given the above info and situation, has anybody else "been there, done that" ??? If so, were you able to incorporate a stand alone processor that did not compromise the sonics of the system as a whole ??? If so, what processor worked the best for you ? Quite honestly, one of my main concerns is that the processor either be reasonably priced or easily upgraded for future formats. I don't want to sink a lot of money into a processor that is out of date in six months. As such, the processor that i was considering before dropping the Marsh into the system ( Sunfire Theater Grand Mk II ) will be replaced later this year from what i'm told. Like many others, they will be coming out with a 7.1 channel system and that's what has me leary about buying something that is CURRENTLY "state of the art". Any thoughts or comments welcome.... Sean
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Dont know how much money you have to spend as the sky is the limit in high perf. pre/pros. To recommend pre/pros that will "not compromise sonics" I think is easy. Most of the good ones will better the sonics of the average good system, if not drop your jaw. I looked at a bunch, it came down to two.

I went with the Proceed AVP after countless hours of research and getting a smoking deal on one. Since my priorities were much like yours: music first, then theater, under $3000 used, and upgradeable, to me it best fit. It has very nice quality DACS for two channel playback, and HT is close to good as it gets. The thing is good to go for 7.1 and is upgraded via software. Upgrades in hardware look to be major surgery, if at all. And it has an anolog pass through feature in case you get a CD player or DAC that has better 2 ch. sound than the AVP DACs (lots of the other contenders lack this feature). I am still coming to terms with it but so far it has performed well beyond my expectations. Its up there with the best for 2ch. most things and great but can be bettered for HT. I should have it for some time to come. Well worth the investment. VERY user friendly. Madrigal has real good support (though I would like to see that 24/96 upgrade before I die). It replaced and bettered a pretty nice 2 ch. setup.

The Theta CasaNova is another model that made my short list. Has most of the features of the AVP, no analog pass through, both hardware (cards like a pc) and software upgradable, many think by barely not quite as good as the AVP in 2ch, though some actually prefer, it is on par for HT.

Others that got ruled out early: Classe (not upgradable to my knowledge, and dont like it generally). Aragon (same). Lexicon DC and MC (top notch HT, 2ch. ??? could be missing out, but think not) Meridian (top notch HT, 2ch. like the Lex.--think not, price) Theta CasaBlanca (I wish, price) Integra (not on the used market when I was looking). I am sure there are plenty of others, but this was my list of runners that got ruled out for reasons I cannot even remember now.

All above should do really well for you in any case. Go check out the websites of Proceed and Theta, both these companies are very helpful in listing a bunch of reviews in their favor that do a pretty thorough job on details, pros, cons etc.. I think each discussed will easily meet your criteria.

Hope that helped.
Chris
I forgot B&K pre/pros. These, actually should get a hard look. They are reaasonably priced, software upgradable, abundant in the aftermarket, just under the AVP/CNnova in Ht and 2ch., but really nice. Also see the Cal Audio (there is a review floating around somewhere on the net) new pre/pro and EAD has one. . .man, the playing field is big. BTW I saw a Theta Casa Nova at audioweb the other day for $2000, and forgot to mention these have a really nice bass management system that you can fully customize.

Chris
Jeff, I was just trying to be objective and politically correct to account for those pre/pros. that I have no first hand experience with, but certainly MUST sound better for HT playback based on their double or even triple the retail price of the AVP! But like you, I couldn't be happier with the performance in either arena. If there is something better out there at this price point right now, I don't even want to know about it. Ignorance is bliss! :)
Chris