Iv'e been reading a lot of reviews on psa subs made and assembled in Ohio, and Mj acoustics.From what I read mj acoustics is like what rel used to be. |
I'm liking what i see with psa subs, anyone own one? |
Or maybe I can look into getting my rel fixed, the problem it is having is while watching a movie, tv or gaming it rattles. with music its fine, idk if its the bottom driver thats bad? or something else? but the cost of repair could out weigh getting a new sub. I know I won't be buying a rel again at 1k I only got 5yrs out of it. and rel's customer support sucks! |
I have tightened all 5000 bolts on driver and amp, still the same result. like i said with music its fine, with movies and games that's when the rattle starts.why would this be? and yes i agree with music the rel blends well with my mozarts but why can't it handle the low frequencies from movies or the ps4? could the bottom driver be bad? rel tech support can't seem to help with this question nor do they seem to care. |
I've narrowed it down to SVS and PSA. I like the psa because its made and assembled in Ohio, WOW! 100% american made. SVS I can find nice ones on ebay for good prices. i'm gonna try one last thing with my REL SVS makes some isolation feet for 50 bucks with a 30 day in home trial if they dont work i'm out nothing if they do work then it's 50 bucks instead of 800. |
Did you open up the amp or the driver? I will deff give this a shot nothing to really lose either way. |
pulled the driver and amp off did not notice any obstruction or anything that looked unusual. I have the isolation feet coming in the mail we'll see if that works? my gut feeling is that it wont.either something is wrong with the sub or it just can't handle the low freq. think i'll be going with the psa sub not sure which model yet. |
To my surprise the isolation feet worked. rattle is gone. |
well the rel went back to the rattling when the frequency gets to low the t1 cant hang, its a wimp! so I went with the psa xs15se which has a 15 inch driver with a down firing driver and a 550 watt dsp. I would think in my room this sub will dig deep! and the customer support at psa is second to none, so far.i'll have the psa by tue so i'll keep everyone posted on how it performs. |
Thanks for the input but the psa sub is on it's way. I think this sub will give thunderous bass with good control and punch for music! and it's getting excellent reviews. one of the guys who started psa was the v in svs subs,and is a guru of sub tech.I got the the psa for 750 shipped, I don't think I can touch a sub of this quality brand new, used maybe but not new. 1 inch mdf instead of 3/4 550 watts 15 inch driver = 72lbs of BOOM!! |
Well the one thing iv'e learned about this hobby is no matter what you buy you're wrong in someone's eye's. this sub will be part of a ht setup as well, and what iv'e found is the small fast subs cannot handle the low freq of movies or gaming threw the ps4 without breaking up and rattling.when I game or watch movies i want the bass to be thunderous,when i listen to the red hot chili peppers i want fleas bass to thump my chest, the smaller subs don't that. i will always go for the v8 over the 4 cylinder. |
Well all I can say my rel t1 is a pooch! I have it set so low in order to avoid an extreme rattle a may as well not have it on, in fact i just turn it off while playing call of duty, watching movies and even with tv. so what good is this fast sub? with music it's ok, and that's all it is. i think the psa will be fine, if not i have a 30 day in home trial shipping free both way's. so what's to lose? do I think there are better subs? of course! am I going to pay 1500 +? nope! and this this t1 would fall apart at 120hz. |
Yeah i'm not sure what you mean bo? But imo I think music should not only be heard but it should be felt. The best live concert I ever saw was in cedar rapids Iowa and the band was Tool 10,000 days tour,I was setting in the upper bowl straight back of the stage the bass response in this auditorium is unreal thumps your chest and rattles your seat, don't worry I could hear the pings and tings as well.my point is without this thunderous bass the concert would have been blah! this auditorium didn't use subs and amps that were just enough! they have more power and bigger drivers than what they need,just like most of our home setups.my main amp is way more than what I need my main speakers are more than what I need so why should my sub be less? |
And I think the psa can do this and not break a sweat, the rel t1 can't. the rel blends well with the main speakers because I have everything set so low you can't feel or hear it anyway.You have to keep in mind one of the founders of psa was the v in svs, I think they know how to build a sub that's not only fast and responsive and that you can feel,the rel t1 falls short. now if I spent 3k on a rel I think i'd get fast deep bass. I'm good spending 750 shipped I think there's no way i'll be disappointed in this sub. and their customer support is outstanding! rels customer support sucks! I ran into the same thing when buying an amp, mccormack, krell, mcintosh, so on and so on. I ended up with Parasound a21 and i'm sure it's not as fast and controlled as the other amps and whatever audiophile jargon you want to throw at it and measurements you can't hear or see but know it's there.in other words i'm fine with my amp and i'll be fine with the psa. |
A subs job is to go BOOM! right? iv'e only owned 2 subs the rel and a b&w, and with the b&w sub I never noticed any lag. In fact I had it in a spot that was outta sight and others would compliment my main speakers on having such good bass response, they didn't know I had a sub in the mix. as long as i'm running low pass and start at 80hz threw my pre amp I think it'll blend in just fine. |
I should have the psa sub today,and i'm sure it'll give me what I need "speed, timing" and everything in between.I think for ht it'll give me that thunder i'm looking for, and that punch i'm looking for in music to make it sound live and alive.tell you what I think this pm wolf, though it may take a few days to get it set up. and of course so called breakin? |
The psa is a sealed down fire sub, and I understand a sub does more than go boom. imaging and thunderous bass is what I said I was looking for all along,and so far the psa has delivered. I'm plugged into my p5's low pass at 80hz and the explosions and gunfire from the ps4 while playing cod advanced warfare is unreal! I have 29 more day's in home trial to really get to know it and hear what music is like.so far I listened to 1 cd avenged sevenfolds heil to the king and the sub blended in well with my main speakers. |
all still sounds good with the psa music has depth and nice punch and ht duty is where it really shines, it's driving my wife nuts she say's it sounds like a war zone upstairs! I don't think I have it placed in the right spot yet still trying to find that sweet spot. But for 750 delivered and being brand new I don't think you can beat it svs sb 2000 maybe? The only think I don't like about the psa is it's size it's a beast! but that's the only problem I find can find with it. |
I have considered upping my budget to 1500 for a sub but will the extra 700 dollars over the price of the psa make that much more of an impact? and at 1500 I could go with the svs sb13 ultra which looks like a real nice sub, but will it out perform the psa which is 700 dollars cheaper? they both have in home trials, I guess I could order the svs and compare it to the psa. I agree the rythmik subs are awesome! |
I'm happy with the psa, I did a side by side comparison with my rel t1, and the rel failed! the psa was deeper and fuller sounding. The rel would rattle with ht duty and the psa didn't break a sweat, and the same goes with music. speed timing? the psa integrated well with my main speakers. it's made well and made in the usa. just because it's not 2k and a big name yet doesn't mean its junk. as far as watts i don't buy into that shit either just like I don't buy into 10k speaker cables. the audio world is full of snake oil just like everything else. doe's a battery pack on your speaker cable improve sound? it must people fork out 2 t0 14k for this great tech. I think speed and timing is a matter of speaker placement and having it dialed in right. |
I'm liking the PSA so much I think i'm gonna return it for it's big brother the xs30se which offers two 15" drivers if the xs15se can produce this much bass with one driver I can only imagine what two drivers can do. "just hope its fast enough". |
im still not seeing a problem with timing and speed with the psa? it hangs with music like lamb of god i dont know how much faster you can get then that? |
So as time went on and my main speakers changed the PSA didn't fit the bill anymore, with its 15 inch driver music was always a bit muddy. so I hooked my REL t1 back up and it was like magic! fast, tight and very musical but lacked weight. so I ordered two REL t9's which should fit the bill. after reading many articles about subs I think the majority of people agree, get two subs or get none. After all we don't buy one speaker, right? |
I should have the REL t9's by Friday so I'll let you know my initial thoughts sun. should be awesome! |
got the Rels hooked up and dialed in and WOW! what a difference running two subs instead of one makes. The REL's are fast, tight and very musical! and blend seamlessly with my speakers and with their piano black case very pretty to look at. |
Yeah Rythmik is a great sub but I'm going two stay with the REL's. |
