What makes Telefunken tubes sound better?


I've reached the point in sampling 12AU7 tubes below $100 per tube where I'm having to buy tube crates to keep the pairs I've sampled. I've tried NOS and new, but out of all I end up back with Telefunkens as having the least distortion and fastest transient response. Yet the Telefunken internals are not the best materials/quality; NOS Mullard CV4003 or the new Gold Lions have higher build quality for materials and precision.

Are there links somewhere that talk to what is different for the internal design/construction of a Telefunken tube? I'd like to support newer tube manufacturers based on educated consumerism, and hope that we can get someone to replace Telefunken at an affordable cost before NOS stock is no longer an option.
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The German work force was/is the best educated and trained in the world. When they get something right, they get it really right and vice-versa.
Germans have pride because everyone is included in, unlike the US where everyone but the super-rich is included out and you have to fight your way in.
Consequently , in the USA the dominant sentiment is fear, not pride.
You can believe it or not, class divisions are MUCH more restrictive in USA than Germany.
A German child born in the working class has 3 times the chance of rising to the middle class than one born in the USA.
As some have pointed out I was referring only to the training system in Germany , nothing more.
But if it makes you happy I will say Germany is a better country because the simple truth is it is. MUCH better.
Telling the simple , objective truth is not anti US BS .

Fan, German historians usually say 30years war, Luther, Bismark and the political divide between the conservative agrarian Catholic south and the less religious workers in the north.
After 2 total economic collapses in a decade Hitler got only 29% of the vote in "Red Berlin" and even less in Hamburg. They have been well researched studies done that estimate he would have got 40% in Milwaukee.
Biggest popular myth is Germany started WW 1, while there is plenty of blame to go around , both France and Russia were more culpable than Germany.
WW II was just round 2 and that would not have occurred without Clavin Coolidge's decision to keep bleeding Germany to death as French pleas to stop fell on deaf ears.
The USA is a culture of mediocrity. because that is what those who control it want it to be.
As a brilliant Puerto-Rican engineer friend of mine says, " The US in not a country ,its a place where people happen to live in proximity"
The German elites run their country on a lets all pull together basis, American elites on the ancient but ever effective divide and conquer basis.Which is why income inequality is 10X as high in the USA.
In the last month World Bank run a BIG survey whether folks thought their country was on the right path, Germany led the WORLD with 85% saying yes. USA was in the 30's.
F-ing simple as that.

Fan, try a slender volume in the" Problems in European Civilization " series published by D.C Heath and Company
Library of Congress64-21697
" The Thirty years War" Problems of Motive,Extent and Effect
Short essays by about 20 scholars so you get the gamut of views.
IMHO as in 90% of "Religious" wars it was about money and power by those running the show.
Mapman , thats what they tell you in HS, average college for that matter.
Total pack of lies.

There are VERY few humans born as "slackers" they become so by the alienation caused by lack of jobs often leading TO drug and alcohol abuse .
The last stage in the " divide and conquer" war of all against all is when those who have lost destroy themselves.

Take a tour of an Indian reservation or your local ghetto.
Roxy54 I am aware I do make black and white statements.
One , this forums doesn't lend itself to nuance
Two, I'm 79 and don't have a lot of energy anyway.
Three, most that know lot a lot about the subject of discussion get what I mean.
Four, I'm well educated.

More importantly God has blessed/cursed me with the desire to pay attention all the 28.961 days I've been here.
I know what I know.

BTW, if I did not have the respect for your opinions I do, I wouldn't have bothered.
Great post Tonywinsc!! Just what I would say if I still had the energy to do so.
One caveat, If you factor in state and real estate taxes
it is no more expensive to live in Berlin that here in the Twin Cities. Less if you don't have a car which you really don't need in Berlin.
There is no price on the human scale life is lived in Germany.