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what is this noise caused from possibly

New to phono. have project 2xperience and tube box se2. cj preamp and amp and b&w speakers. Now, some records play just fine and sound great to me, (not ever really listening to vinyl). All my records are new 180g and 200g. I have a new vpi record cleaning machine and last stylus cleaner and preserve or something. On some notes I get a screathing sound if that is the way to describe it. most noticable whan not much music is going on and for example norah jones, sings softly (good) when she reaches down and lets out a bigger note (screathy) mostly right at the beginning of the note. With lots of piano and soft voice all is good i think. by the way this happens in one speaker and not the other. Tryed adjusting tracking force from min to max. antiskate is properly installed. tone arm seems to be parrallel to record. don't know how to adjust azimuth and manufacturer sais its adjusted from the factory. will listen to more records and see if I notice it more.
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beerdraft

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beerdraft OP
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thanks, Ithink some of this makes since. It was coming from the left speaker than I dialed up the tracking force to the max reccomended for the sumiko pearl (2.0) It then started coming from the right speaker. So more tracking force made it go from left to right. VTF to increase is that rasing the base of the tone arm? It seems to be parrallel to me but it could be off a little with me just eye ballin it. Wierd thing is I can go thru two or three records and not hear anything wrong, for instance (anthony wilson power of 9, dire straits, and eagles. But on a couple of others nora jones and clapton screathing with there voice in certain areas but not the whole song or albub. Call me crazy but I think it did it most times on the or close to the last track (almost the same area on each record) then fine the rest of the way.
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beerdraft
beerdraft OP
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also I did dial tracking force back down in very small steps and it never went away in the trouble spots. On clapton the crackle seems to come from the bassy part of his voice and on nora jones it the hi part of her voice. Iput my ear right up to the speakers to hear this.
beerdraft OP
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ah-ha: VTF, I got you. I think my cartidge reccomends 1.5 to 2.0 vtf and I've moved it from min to max in small increments. It does go from one channel to the other but I cant seem to get it go away. I got a 15X magnigier today and will inspect the stylus better. The antiskate is just a small weight which has three notches on the tone arm and sumiko sais put it in the 2nd notch. Is it possible the suspension is messed up on the cantilever or something like that causing inconsistant tracking. I'm really reaching now and have no idea what I'm talking about.
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beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
still does the same thing. I adjusted the anti skate as well and still the same. Is it possible either the record has a bad spot in it where I most noteably hear it or is it possible my speaker has a problem? I will switch inputs now to rule out speaker. If this doesn't work I'll go to the place I bought it and listen to the same song and see if it does it there. Most songs sound fine and I don't notice anything wrong. I think I will see tomorrow if they will get me a new player or I may even upgrade. This bugs me because I can't stand not knowing. back to more listening
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beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
What is overhang and I don't know what digital scall or cheap sure is. Please advise. I switched the inputs on the preamp and it went to the left side now. It was on the right normally, so thank god its not my speaker.
beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
Hey Dan, funny, the sumiko guy just emailed me and said he thinks its in the overhang. Can't remember if he said to much or to little but I needed clarification on which way to adjust the (I geuss the VTA) up or down at the base of the tone arm. This is like trying to learn A forign language, and the only reason I got thru two years of spanish is the fine blonde girl who sat in front of me both years. I can't speak a word of it though.
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beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
great I'll check into those. Is there a scale for measuring the overhang or vta I think? How do you check the azimuth. Maybe I need a kit for this if there is one for the whole setup because I may upgrade cartridge soon anyway and I would probably have to know how to do it all then.
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beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
how do you adjust overhang? is that the same thing as VTA?
beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
okay I'm really goin' crazy now. I'm thru adjusting, give up. I'm toaking it back as I've already taken it to the dealer once and they said they had it right and it wasn't. I'm thinking I've got to get rid of this table. All things happen for a reason and maybe this is telling me I'm not going to be happy with this table down the road. I'm going to ask to upgrade or get a new one. If I upgrade, I'm sure I'll have to stick with the project line. Which project table is going to give me the best experience? Obviously the answer is the rm10 I think the top of the line but is it worth $2599 or would I be just as well with one of the models at about $1500 I think the rm9 and one other is at this price? nither of these come with a cartidge and I don't know what the minimum cartridge one of these players deserve. Advice please, I've made up my mind to move on up a little.
beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
I gave up so far at home. I'm going to box it up and take it back to dealer. I have a couple of people local thru a'gon who said they would come help set it up. I may do an upgrade at this point and have someone else set it up for me. I give up on this player as when it makes a bad sound unexpectedly it sounds like the speker is blown and I don't know if that is good for the speakers. I'm just about ready and researching upgrades on my other equiupment and maybe a better turntable will keep me from wanting to upgrade it once I get all other components upgraded.
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beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
got it boxed up and will let you guys know. I did see several set-up LP's on musicdirect.com. That is where I got all my vinyl so far. They had a analogue productions test lp and then a couple of others. I'll probably invest in a couple of those and get someone to assist me in the first set-up, then I should be able to do it from there. I just get confused easily and if not confident in what I'm doing, I tend to lose focus.
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beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
My dealer wants me to get the mcintosh mt10 and has made me a really sweet deal on it and took my project back. Any thoughts on this table which is factory set and should need no adjustment. I wonder if you can upgrade cartridge on this table.
beerdraft OP
198 posts
 
I did the test at the dealer and it didn't do it there. They took my player back and I upgraded to the Mcintosh Mt10, it plays wonderful. I think it may have something to do with the cartridge reproducing the sound of certain things like maybe its strecthing the limit of the cartridge or something, don't know. On mine, I had the same problem with clapton slow hand in some points with his voice and the back up voices. If you have that album try it. I would play other much more musical albums and not notice any problem other than now they sound even better thru the Mcintosh. What player do you have?
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