Vinyl recordings - best methods


Hi there
I would like to draw your attention here:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/audiophile-recording-and-playback-tascam-da-3000/post?highlig...
Maybe, now, there are even better recorders, out there.
Yet a big part of the picture is, do the best with what you have.
We need more discussion with updates on how to do the best recordings.
Oystein

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Dgarretson - same with me, my Revox A77 remains on my loft. To get better recordings than 2xDSD on the Tascam, the Revox would at least need a service and probably some considerable upgrade too. I recorded to open reel tape on the Revox for many years but I don’t bother anymore.

"You don’t want to do this twice" - very true. I recorded ca 150 albums on my Korg MR-1, but although I enjoyed the recordings for some years, in a sense it was a waste of time, since the Tascam recordings of the same vinyl are clearly better. I agree, a better power cord is nice, and perhaps footers too, although I have not found a large difference there. Probably better regulators - and other things.

The trouble is, in principle, for every upgrade you do in the analog chain, you want to record your full collection once more, at least, with big upgrades, like a better recorder, or a new cartridge. So this can become a rather crazy hobby.

On the other hand, there is a smile on my face, whenever I hear the recordings, especially from a device weighing 136 grams (the Fiio X3ii) as compared to the 16 kg of my Revox A77.

I can have maybe 60-70 percent of the sound of my main rig wherever I go. That’s great. We live in interesting times.

And it is nice to see, finally, that digital is moving forwards also, listening to what audiophiles have been saying for years. After the big "perfect sound forever" disgrace. Although there is still a number of commentators, usually outside of the audio world, arguing that you don’t really need high resolution (or, disgracefully marketing 44/16 as high res), saying most people dont hear the difference anyway, and similar b-s. Talking down to people. Making people distrust their ears.

It is really strange, how long this has been going on. I don’t think this kind of thing would have a chance in visual media. There, people want the best. As regards sound, however, people (except a "strange" niche of audiophiles) are supposed to be happy with poor sound and compressed music. Its a shame. Ears unite! All power to the ear-proletariat! :-)

There is no doubt whatsoever, in my experience, recording vinyl (and live music) with a lot of different recorders: the better format is the way to go.

True, mastering makes a lot of difference, not to speak of recording, mixing and so on. You can have very good CD format recordings, and very bad. Same with vinyl (but usually not THAT bad). Yet all this is really off topic. The vinyl record (especially, at 45 RPM) remains the "gold standard".

Was DAT recording a step up from CD sound? No. But DAT with "super bit mapping", like the Sony DAT DTC-ZE700? Yes, extending the recording to (something like) 24 bit, it did sound better. I bought one in 1996 and used it to record until I bought the Korg MR-1 in 2009. Does each step up of PCM resolution 92/24 to 192/24 etc sound better? Yes. Does DSD sound even better than PCM? Yes. Double DSD? Yes, best so far. - These judgements are based on long term experiences, not just quick A/B testing.There can be no going back, for me.





hi there again,
dgarretson, and others, I am in for my yearly 'best of' vinyl recordings. For now I will use the DA-3000 as is - it has served me really well - but maybe I could upgrade it in the fall. What are the DA-3000 mods that really make a difference (regarding the recording part)?
dgarretson - thank you, I will study this. I am not able to do it myself but maybe I can find a tech who can. By the way, as related in another thread here ("Why are my woofers pumping?"), my cart/arm combo has too low resonance, resulting in subsonic pumping. What is interesting in this context is that the pumping carries over to the DSD recordings made on the Tascam. So it records whatever is there, very low in the frequency spectrum (probably around 7hz).
I've been stopped in my tracks due to a cartridge problem, the diamond fell off. So vinyl recordings must be postponed. All I can say is, the Tascam recordings I made before still sound good - even if they can be improved. I am more interested in the recording part, than how the Tascam plays back. Once it is in "optimal" version in the DSD recording, playback can be adjusted later.  Due to my recent unfortunate experience, I think a main point is to record - when the system works OK. As many LPs as you can. Before something breaks down.
Bondmanp - thanks, and agree - common experience - diamonds are not forever. I also had a Thorens. On my Hanss T30 I can have two arms, and I consider it, although part of my thinking is, why do I need two arms, one is enough, I will choose the best one anyway. The best arm and cart combo. Why do I need more. And to record, I would use the best combo, not the next best. But your experience is maybe different?
@bondmanp - yes, different ways.
What Ortofon and Denon do you use? I might have considered a better cartridge before doing a lot of vinyl recording.
Stanton for back-queuing - can you explain?
Thanks