sandston.

The only drawback is that keeping the Puron closest to the main AC equipment input/outlet is preferred. A long extension cord may negate its effectiveness. But you can try it.

ozzy

facten,

I would also like to add that I found with the Puron filter the HF MC-.05 type devices detracted the sound quality.

You may also find that to be true with the Venon filter. So also try it with that one removed.

ozzy

I thought the Akiko tuning stick was just a type of grounding device.

ozzy

Sorry for the confusion. I purchased them from Amazon, but when I tried to add that link to this thread, I was afraid there would be a link to my Amazon account. So, I found it advertised elsewhere and used that as the link.

ozzy

I just got a couple of these, and I was wonderin’ if they require some breakin?

Also, any interaction with other devices like the Hi-Fi MC- pros?

ozzy

I have noticed when the Puron is first plugged into my video, it takes approx. 15-30 minutes before the image really starts to pop and progresses further with more time.

So, based on this with our audio, perhaps plugging and unplugging to test the results is not a good way to evaluate it. (Even though the Stereo Times reviewer did). There may be a residual effect when unplugged.

Just plug it in and leave it in for a day, then unplug it, wait about an hour, and then listen, do you miss it? 

ozzy

thankful,

Perhaps not an exact answer to your question, but I am using the Purons with a Add- Powr Symphony I/O AC harmonic Resonator, and a Sorcer X4 within my system to good affect.

ozzy

So, I have definitely changed my opinion of the Puron filters after continued use.

I have owned or tried: (as many of us tweakers have)

Nordost QX1, QV2, Furutech NCF, and the Add Powr eau2 units. I also have tried the Akiko products and I also own High Fidelity Signature + Helix MC-.05 filters. And probably a few more that I can't remember.

The first thing that convinced me of the Puron’s effectiveness is how much it improved my video. But it takes about 15 minutes to show its worth.

So, plugging and unplugging the Purons quickly really does not help in its evaluation.

It may or may not be a simple concept but whatever, it works well!

Dollar for dollar the Purons are the real deal and worth the cost based on the improvement in audio and video.

To me it is not a band-aid approach, the components are still the same, but the interference that comes through our AC is reduced. I’m glad I got a chance to try it, don’t knock it till you try one.

The next new " best thing" item may even reduce that interference further or perhaps eliminate it.

ozzy

I also own a couple of the Isotek EVO 3 units. I think they are designed to remove DC noise. They do do something positive, and they are relatively cheap to try.

ozzy

Thanks, jerry, for that recap info. To watch the total video is brutal.

I have one of these on each of my dedicated lines (3).

ozzy

antigrunge2,

So, do you think you will try a Puron?

BTW, on each of my 3 dedicated outlets I will have:

• AudioQuest Niagara 7000, 1200 or 1000
• HF helix signature
• Isotek EVO 3
• Puron

ozzy

So, getting back to the Puron filters.

I just tried one of my Puron’s into the subwoofers (4) dedicated line... and indeed the bass sounds purer. I like it!

Now to get some more..

ozzy

Tony,

Good questions.

Yes, each addition brought better sound quality in some way, otherwise I didn’t use it.

When I ran my 3 dedicated lines, I used 10-gauge wire terminated in several quad wall outlets with Furutech outlets and with Oyaide covers. I also have several 4-8 outlet heavy aluminum junction boxes that I made with Furutech outlets/inlets and 10-gauge pure silver wiring.

But most of my components are plugged into the Niagara's

I am such a tweaker...

ozzy

nasaman,

I noticed your comment about the MC-05. What do you think of using both the HF MC-.05 and the Puron at the same time? Prefer one over the other? I am using both the (HF Helix Signature+) and the Puron’s at the same time. I have never removed the HF plug while using the Puron. I guess I could, but to me, the HF stuff takes time to break back in once unplugged.

Once I get additional Puron’s I will no longer need to move them back and forth between my audio and video. Then, I probably will apply some NPS-1260.

ozzy

thyname,

Yup, originally it probably sounded like yours?

ozzy

thyname,

I know these tweaking things sound questionable, but some are really impressive.

Besides, I have to do something with all my money before my heirs get it...

ozzy

Has anyone else tried the Puron's?  I just got a couple more.

ozzy

thyname,

I wasn’t able to try them yesterday. Today is the first with 2 of them on the same dedicated circuit.

So, with just a couple hours there seems to be more of everything. That is; bigger, deeper soundstage, stronger bass and for some reason the music seems to be a little louder at the same volume settings?

ozzy

sgordon1,

Have you tried it on video yet?

ozzy

sgordon1,

I tried the FoQ tape and at first, I liked it, but then I began to detect the closing in of the upper frequencies and the soundstage. So, I removed it.

Question:

Has anyone tried the Puron’s into a power conditioner? I initially tried the Puron’s plugged into my Niagara 7000 and did not like it. I even wrote a review about it. But now after many hours of working with them I have discovered certain things do not work well with the Puron’s. It’s not the Puron’s fault so just don’t be afraid to experiment.

Thus far I have been plugging them into the wall where the conditioner plugs in. But next step will be the conditioner again. Anyone find they work better in or out of the power conditioner?

ozzy

So here is something that I have discovered with the Puron.

I have just begun experimenting with them plugged into my AudioQuest Niagara 7000 power conditioner instead of at the wall and I have noticed a strange phenonium.

I started by using 3 Puron’s plugged into each of the 3 sections of power outlets on the Niagara. That is: High power, Analog and Digital.

To my surprise, the music is louder, quite a bit actually. I’m not sure if sonically it is an improvement at this early point, but the music is definitely louder.

Can the Puron’s be affecting the circuitry inside the Niagara? I wish someone else with this power conditioner could chime in, or perhaps anyone who can help explain it.

ozzy

Thanks for the help on this.

At this point however, I think the increase in volume is not a good thing, Sort of like I hinted originally in my first review, it sounds like the volume knob is turned up to 11. Seems to provide more distortion than pleasure.

I believe it has to do with the AudioQuest equipment. That is, I have the Dragon power cords and the Niagara 7000 power conditioners, their claim to fame is their bias conditioning. Whatever that is. I think the Puron’s are affecting that. I doubt if other types of power conditioners would be affected like these are.

More to come...

BTW, 2 are definitely better than one. I can tell the difference clearly on video. One Puron is good but the 2nd one really makes the image pop.

ozzy

I also now can conclude that more than 2 of the Puron’s on a given dedicated line can be too much. When I added the 3rd Puron the music started to bleach out, hopefully you can imagine what I mean. The stereo separation was good, but the music no longer had that grip.

ozzy

whostolethebatmobile,

Perhaps that explains why there was such an interaction with them being plugged into my Niagara 7000 power conditioner?

ozzy

68pete,

Not yet. Once I have found the final placement then I will.

Probably pretty soon!

Have you tried it?

ozzy

whostolethebatmobile,

What I like best of the Niagara 7000 power conditioner is that my tube amps actually sound better plugged into the Niagara than plugging them straight to the wall. They have more power or oomph in the sound quality.

Adding the Puron’s brings out the images within the soundstage. I have found that using the Puron’s before the Niagara provides the best of both worlds.

ozzy

68pete,

I look forward to your impressions.

ozzy

You should place it in an outlet that will have the biggest effect for your Audio components. Usually that would be on the same outlet, but on the same circuit could also suffice. Try it both ways.

ozzy

I actually think it sounds better 24 hours later.

ozzy

facten,

Please try to plug the Puron directly into the wall outlet that your conditioner is plugged into, if only for a few days.  And sorry, 2 Puron's is even better than 1!

ozzy

So, as I keep experimenting, here is the latest.

First off, trying the SR tuning dots on the Puron’s does change the sound somewhat and it depends on where you place the dots. In the end, I preferred the Puron’s without the tuning dots.

Then, I went back to trying 3 of the Puron’s within my main dedicated audio circuit. I now feel that 2 Puron’s plugged into the wall outlet where my Niagara power conditioner plugs in and then one more Puron plugged in the first bank of outlets in the Niagara gets me the best in sound quality. This sounds better than just having 3 Puron’s plugged into the wall outlet or having the 3 plugged into the Niagara.

Also 2 Puron’s plugged into my dedicated AC video line really makes the image pop! Highly recommended for those who have a home theater system. The colors are more vibrant, and the image is much sharper and denser.

ozzy

68pete.

Any update?

I just put a thin layer of NPS 1260 on the blades of 2 of my Puron’s. First impression is positive.

ozzy

68pete,

What I have noticed that a few hours after applying the NPS-1260 to the blades on the Puron the sound got kinda dark sounding. But today everything is great! So, there was some sort of reaction.

I also have some bad news. I know you are a very big proponent of the High-Fidelity equipment. But what I have now found is that the Puron’s perform better without the HI Fidelity Plug ins. When I removed the 3 Hi Fidelity MC-.05’ that I had the dynamic range increased, the bass got deeper, there is more detail within the soundstage and more of that alive sound we all treasure.

Try it without the HI Fidelity stuff for a while. Let me know what you think.

I just sold all my HI- Fidelity plug ins. The Puron’s are better without them, at least IMHO.

tksteingraber, you may want to try the Puron without the High Fidelity MC- Pro.

ozzy

dog,

Why are you angry? Don't believe it? Fine, ignore the post.

ozzy

tksteingraber,

I hear ya!

Can you try the Puron sans the High Fidelity MC-Pro? Let me know what you think?

ozzy

dogberry,

Some of these things (tweaks, etc.) are a little questionable.

You call it being objective, but if you never try something, how can you be so sure it doesn’t work?

Try to keep an open mind, it might surprise you.

ozzy

tksteingraber,

Well, that’s interesting. Thanks for trying the Puron without the HF plug in. BTW, I ordered some of Ricks new formula which he says is even better than the 1260 and the Q-45T.

With the Puron’s I have found that not only do I not need the HF, but I also removed some Noise Destroyers I had from years back on my video and also no longer have a Puron plugged into my Niagara 7000 I just have them plugged into the wall.

To me, it does things much better on its own.

But hey, we all have different equipment so our results will vary.

BTW, Thanks thyname for the cover.

ozzy

nasaman,

I think I have answered this question before, but I am glad you brought it up again.

Now that I have removed the other devices, I just retried my dedicated line using 3 Puron’s.

Yes, 2 is better than one and I now believe 3 is still better. There is more minute detail coming through.

I also can say that the closer you can place the Puron to the wall outlet that your system is plugged in the better it performs. So, try to avoid extension cables etc.

ozzy

whostolethebatmobile,

Interesting point.

However, it does seem that it can be too much of a good thing.

Picture a room with increased (too much) lighting. It can just be too much sometimes, and you realize it needs to be less.

In my system with my ears two of them seems to be about right.

ozzy

nasaman,

Do you have anyway of plugging both of the Puron's before your power conditioner?

ozzy

So, I just removed the 3rd Puron from my main dedicated outlet. I’m back to thinking 2 Puron’s are enough on a dedicated circuit.

But I did place it in my computer room on a completely different house circuit into a power strip that has my Modem, Uptone Regen, clock etc.

At this location, the streaming audio quality has just gone up a notch. Highly recommended placement.

ozzy

nasaman

Try this.

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It’s even available through Amazon.

ozzy

Yes, that is it. They come in handy, especially within tight spots.

ozzy

Seems like it, yes.

ozzy

68pete,

Thus far only tried the NPS-1260. At this point, I don't think it does much. Probably not necessary.

ozzy

68pete,

Conrgats!

I feel 2 on each dedicated line seems to bring out the best. Even on my dedicated line for my video the picture quality is just awesome with 2! Even my wife reluctantly has noticed, and that is really something!

ozzy

But I think if you can get your wife to sit still for a couple of hours then remove the Puron she should notice the difference.

Perhaps try using video instead, the eyes can clearly see the improvement in colors, sharpness and depth.

ozzy

Cmon Man, can’t you just enjoy the sound improvement? Or do you enjoy the analysis?

Anyway, if you don’t like it, you can return if for a refund.

ozzy

Just to put a little hole in your test. I have found that random removal and reinserting the Puron’s to be very difficult to discern differences. It takes a few hours for the full effect.

How will you account for this with your tests?

ozzy’’

Best to keep them happy in other endeavors.

ozzy