Slagle AVC Modules & Lightspeed Attenuator


Recently I’ve been fortunate to be in possession of two excellent passive preamps that won’t break the bank, in fact far from it. The following comments are based on some observations I made when listening to and comparing the Slagle Autoformer Modules to the Lightspeed Attenuator. While both are passive preamps, they use different designs. Both were built with separate volume controls per channel. For the Slagle Autoformer Modules this is standard and for the Lightspeed it was a custom feature. The cost for each is approximately $450.

My intent is not to make this so much a review, but to provide some comparative notes for others to use. I have professed my preference for passive preamps many times in these forums and feel in the right system, obviously one that is passive friendly, they are the best choice if one is looking for a simple design that offers a high dose of purity, dynamics, transparency, and neutrality.

The Slagle Autoformer Modules are a joint design between John Chapman of Bent Audio and Dave Slagle of Intact Audio. The design uses autoformers to attenuate the signal, but with a custom board that eliminates the need for excessive wiring. In addition, each module (two are required for stereo operation) uses a unique dual volume switch. The first switch offers 11 steps with 3.75db increments. The second switch provides 3 positions with -1.25db, 0 db, and +1.25db settings. Overall using a combination of the switches attenuation is from +1.25dB to -41.25 dB in 32 steps. For more information on the design go here:

http://intactaudio.com/module.html

The Lightspeed Attenuator is designed by George Stantscheff and is basically a resistive passive design with a twist. The uniqueness of the Lightspeed's design is that there are no contact points in the form of a "wiper", as is the case with other passive designs (resistive and transformer) that use a potentiometer or discrete stepped attenuator. The key components in the Lightspeed Attenuator are Silonex NSL-32SR2 Optocouplers. The optocoupler device is a sealed unit that consists of a high performance LED that shines on a light dependent resistor (LDR) thereby achieving proper attenuation. Since the optocouplers require a power supply the Lightspeed does require the use of a power plug. For more information on the design and how it works go here:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=80194

http://diyaudioprojects.com/Solid/DIY-Lightspeed-Passive-Attenuator/

Optocouplers are not new to preamp designs. If I recall correctly Melos was using them long ago in one of their active preamps and Dartzeel uses them too. Nelson Pass has also published a schematic that uses optocouplers in an active preamp design.

Ever since John Chapman reintroduced the TAP-X passive preamplifier using Dave Slagle's autoformers I've been hoping to try it out. Unfortunately I never got the opportunity, but John did build a couple of Slagle Autofomer Module prototypes (single input, dual output, single ended RCA) to play around with, stuffing them into a Bent Flex chassis, and I was able to get my hands on one of these via John and Dave.

I had already had the Lightspeed Attenuator (single input, single output, single ended RCA) for some time now and compared it to my JRGD Capri active preamp as well as an Audio Consulting Silver Rock TVC. The former comparison was done in my system while the latter was done in a friends system. I have already commented elsewhere in the forums as to how the Lightspeed Attenuator fared against the Audio Consulting Silver Rock, but to reiterate it certainly held its own and in my opinion was slightly more transparent and neutral than the Silver Rock. It just seemed to get out of the way of the music a bit more so than the Silver Rock. Otherwise, price aside, all things were pretty well equal. In comparison to the Capri, the Lightspeed showed that the Capri had a tendency to err on the side of warmth. The Capri provided slightly more punch in the lower frequencies, but all told it wasn't missed much when I swapped the Lightspeed into the system. Both units had excellent top end extension, but I would give a slight edge to the Lightspeed here.

I received the Bent/Slagle Autoformer Modules a few weeks ago. I have been rotating the three preamps in my system since I received it. Over the last week the Capri was removed entirely and the focus was on comparing the Bent/Slagle to the Lightspeed Attenuator. I was hoping that the comparison would be similar to the one I did previously with the Audio Consulting TVC in that it would be pretty evident as to the differences between the components. However, this would not be the case. The Bent/Slagle and Lightspeed Attenuator are very difficult for me to differentiate. They are very close on nearly every level: transparency, neutrality, frequency extension, and noise. Overall, I would have to give the Lightspeed a slight edge over the Bent/Slagle, but there is something seductive about the Bent/Slagle that also makes it an enjoyable piece of equipment and I feel fortunate to have the both.

So there you have it, a couple of passive preamps that are fairly inexpensive and whose performance in my opinion is high end. They’ll be alternating in and out of my system for the near future. Now if I can get a balanced version of each that might make for some more interesting comparisons.
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Terry, have you reviewed and compared the XA60.5 on Gon? I loved the XA30.5, would be good to here your view of the L.A. if you get a chance to hear Anthony's.
I know George is reading this and will send me the most tightly matched LDRs in the history of LDRs:). Think I will get the Bent AVC again.
Anthony, got the LS LDR, I can see why you love it. It, with a Music Reference RM10 is what I would recommend to anyone starting out looking to spend $2000 or so for a preamp/amp combo, in fact it is what I would recommend to someone wanting a great system with no desire to upgrade in the future. You reviewed the product, and I have nothing to add other than to say I agree.
Will do. Also, my CD player can go up to 3.7v output at the flip of a switch, so I don't think gain will be a problem with the M60s.
George, there is always theory and practice, and theory seems to be worth very little compared to how something actually sounds in the real world. Your Lightspeed Attenuator, is extremely good by almost all the "audiophile" criteria, but it just plane sounds wonderful.

There much debate about the resitor based and transformer based approach to passive preamps, with most of the Audiogon consensus favoring transformers or autoformers. Roger Modjeski (Music Reference / RAM Labs) one of the best designers on the planet swears by passives (he simply believes no active can be as good as a good passive - obviously, sometimes your system needs an active to deal with cabling, gain and impedance issues and a passive will simply not work)but is also a proponent of the resistor approach - he explained to me why, but is was over my head.

Obviously, you have chosen the path of least resistance, what is your view of the theoretical advantages and disadvantages of resistors/transformers? Regardless, your product is exceptional compared with all the passives of every ilk I have tried, and some of the finest active tube linestages made.

I'll say this, every audiophile with a single source should try your preamp (under $500 delivered!!) and compare it to whatever they own. Some may not want to believe it, but you really can have world class sound from a preamp considerably cheaper than the interconnect to the amp.
George, it just might be possible the Lightspeed Attenuator is the best preamplifier I have had in my system (and I have had many passives and even more actives). I need to do some more comparisons, but I'm not sure that trumpet, bass, drums, and piano have ever sounded more real. Anthony thanks for finding this thing. The LS with the Music Reference RM10 is one hell of an incredible combo, and for $2,500 for both at list, it is stupidgood. Combine this with some Merlin VSMs or some other great speaker that does not need much power and has smooth impedance and I think you can put this up against most anything out there, no matter how much more you can or are willing to spend. George, the next thing is going to be demand for a multiple input option.
Ah, that's what the weekends for:) You may have to come out with a audio jewlery version (you can call it Signature Edition, Special Edition, or Deluxe I Really Mean It MKII). of this for $3,000 so people can believe how good it is. No difference inside, just more bling and weight (20lbs should be convincing) to justify the cost:). Like my Merlin speakers, this is one piece of gear I will not be selling, unless you come up with a better way, but in 35 years, I imagined you have sorted this out pretty well already.
Anthony, it will be interesting to here your observations. My only concern with the M60s was their Input voltage for full output of 2.83V, but not sure if the S30 are the same. I'll be trying it soon. Really curious to hear what a minimalist passive like the LS will sound like with a minimalist circuit like the Atma-OTL. One would expect a very low level of distortion - pretty much like George describes it - connecting your source directly to the amp - with some means of controlling volume. Interesting article on Arthur Salvatore's sight as to why the passive preamp is the best approach and why if any active, at any price sounds better in ANY way, it just means you have an impadance/gain mismatch somewhere in your system - pretty much what Roger says. Of course, this does take a bit more vigilance in paying attention to the rest of the chain, but you know, it is well worth it when you get it right.
Hi Terry. It is really hard to analyze the differences since it has been so long since I have had the RVC and the BENT AVC. I guess what I love about the Lightspeed is that the soundstage is huge in width and depth, localization is specific and does not drift, and the timbre of trumpet and sax seems extraordinairily accurate, and the body and weight, and snap of acoustic bass is so real. I am not sure what image density means, is it the same a palapable? The sense that the sound is coming from a 3 dimensional instrument? In that sense the Lightspeed has image dimensionality. I wish I had the RVC here for comparisons, but I can tell you that when I got your Placette Active, in that case I immediately preferred it to the passive (that is one heck of a good preamp). I think what the LS brings that perhaps a TVC and AVC cannot do, is provide this sense of a transparent window - much like OTLs versus Transformer tube amps - (less haze, noise, gunk - real harisplitting here)into the musical space. Even without gain and all that, a TVC and AVC surely adds alot more wire between source and amp. I am going to be comparing the LS against my Joule and Atma-sphere preamps for the next month or so - truth is I do like them all. What blows me away is that for $450 delivered, it competes with anything I've heard, and if you are on a budget and $5,000-$10,000 preamps are not on the agenda, you could, and should, live happily with a system based on the LS with the right amp and speakers, ofcourse.
George, you should just add on your signature that you are Lightspeed, or whatever the company name is, folks like to see that, even if it is obvious on this particular thread.
Teajay, if you are still using the Pass XA100s it would seem that the LS will be unsuitable, I'm not sure that an unbuffered passive would work with those amps. Tomorrow, I will try the Lightspeed with the Atma-sphere amps. They are not very sensitive, but I can swith the EMM Labs to 3.7v output so it should be able to drive them with no gain issues.
It would be great to hear a comparsion of the LA up against the likes of the Concert Fidelity. Congrats on the XA.5s, I regret having sold my 30.5s, but 4 amps was getting a little ridiculous:)
Can we agree that with the right combination between source amp an ICs, that no buffering is needed, and if not needed for impedance matching no buffer is better than having one. In other words, no buffer is optimal, but a buffer is much more flexible.
It would be nice to get Terry's views on the LA as he has owned the Placette and Bent, and his current tube preamp, based on the review is very good indeed. There is something about the idea of a passive linestage that makes me think it has to be better of doing nothing destructive to the signal, and that in some way an active, any active simply does too much to a signal be as pure to the source. Assuming appropriate gain and impedance match. If, and that is a big if, Terry finds the LA competitive with the Concertr Fidelity I think alot folks have to start reconsidering their approach, and expense, of their preamps. To me, a preamp should be nuetral to the source signal (as Ken Stevens says, the color of water), and flavoring should come from the amp/speakers because we know all speakers will impart their flavor.
Batalok, what were using before (for comparison and context). I feel the same way after having used CAT, Lamm, Joule, Atma-sphere, and Placette - pretty good stuff for this LS to go up against.
That is worthy competition indeed! My impression is the Lightspeed Attenuator is the best preamp I have ever owned or heard in other systems. More folks should try it against there 10-20K preamps and listen for themselves. I don't know what more I can say about it - it cost less than the NOS tubes in my other preamps:)
I was a bit skeptical that it would better the TVC and AVCs I previously owned, but it certainly as good, and they were quite a bit more money. This is a no brainer to audtion with any single source system.
I agree, but I think most folks would not choose to do that, lucky if we can get them to accept not having a remote:)
Well, I have spending a lot of time listening over the past few days, if for no other reason than to get over "new thing euphoria". I have also had two audiophile friends with good "credentials" come over for some listening sessions. All I can say is the Lightspeed Attenuator is the best sounding preamp I have used in my system with my Music Reference RM9 and RM10MKII amps, and my friends loved it too. Lack of dynamics, pace, or bass simply not issues in my set-up. It is as simple one input/output device and single-ended and, oh my god, no remote, but if it fits your ergonomic needs, and don't know if there is a better sounding preamp, and if there is, it would be so much more expensive as to make that pursuit meaningless IMHO. Not for everyone and all systems, but if it works for you, you are in for a real treat. At the price I would especially recommend it to those that have had success with TVC/AVCs and understand a little bit about the use of passives. Soon I will try it with the Atma M60 amps, though I think there may be a gain issue there, we'll see.