room size question.


( wasnt sure what category to put this in ,so figured this one would get more views)

 

in watching some you tube videos, one from Jays audio lab, and another one from Paul ( ps audio ), they both mention how the speakers should be set up in the room and it seems they bring them out into the room quite a bit.    they say that when this happens, you have the soundstage and jay was mentioning that there are layers that one gets to hear when listening.

my question i guess is that can this same thing happen in a smaller room, say 12x12 or is one just limited to say center imaging due to room size ?

room is treated

 

this is the ps audio video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x63RORq8JMw

jays video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOWcvbfNZw

bshaw

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@bshaw  

according to your measurement your room is only 9 feet wide , not 12x12 .

What are your room measurements ?  

 

@bshaw 

OK  , measuring your speakers ( great looking ) from the center to the side wall at 36" , that would leave you with 62" center to center .  Are you measuring from the front wall to the rear of the speaker ? or to the speaker ? 

Have you tried the acoustical panels on the side walls and the diffusers on the back wall ?

bshaw

I would suggest measuring from the center of the front of the speaker for side wall and listening distance , to the back of the speaker is ok for the front wall .

Try moving the speakers so that you have 36" from the side wall to the center of the speaker and see if you like the sound ,  you really don't have much room for moving away from the front wall , have you tried moving the speakers closer to the front wall with 30" being the closest before the bass becomes boomy and don't worry about having an equilateral triangle .  

bshaw

When a question is asked you receive a lot of good information to try  ,

I'll give you something exact to try or not , I've already suggested having the speaker 36" from the side wall leaving your speakers at 62" from center to center, the next suggestion is based on the listening angle that is equal to the angle of the speakers being 8' apart and the listening distance being 10' or 48-49 degrees , so if you can move your speakers and even your listening chair so you have 75" from speakers to ears ,  now measure from the center of your listening position 23" and aim the speakers to that point .  Toe-in even just 1/2" will make a big difference , I know you said you didn't like it but I have moved my speakers several hundred times ( it's free ! ) and for me this formula is the best , but it will all depend on how things sound when you move the speakers closer to the front wall .

Good Luck 

@bshaw 

pm or call me if you want to discuss ,

I see that you moved the speakers from 36" to 30" from the front wall , Did you hear any improvement ?  

Questions , are you leveling your speakers , have you tried tube rolling and what CDs or songs do you use for evaluating ?

Rob