thinking of going the meadowlark swift way the shannians i have not seen either. so the 1c is a condideration but they are so similar obvisously the totem is sometghing i had thought of i won't ever tell anyone i went with a bookself speaker my friends will have a fun month with that boy thanks for the advice i may post what i do incase anyone runs into situation anyone that can use the vandys , boy they are good......moving now toward the meadowlark swifts...my price range ....thanks guys and all