Red Wine 30.2 vs. Bryston 4B SST2


How do I properly phrase this unique face off? The Red Wine is Batter Driven and Low Wattage. The Bryston is High Wattage and AC run. I do not want this to be a discourse on the benefits or detriments of either DC or AC power. Futhermore I don't want this discourse to break down into a discussion of if the AC powered Bryston is powered by XYZ conditioner with ZYX cord. I am looking for JUST THE BOTTOM LINE. Assuming that I am a true audiophile like yourselves BUT don't have the luxury of setting up two IDENTICAL 'IDENTICAL' ROOMS where the only variable is the two power amps in question. Where HIGH POWER IS NOT NEEDED so the Bryston and Red Wine are on equal footing. Assuming THAT THE BEST TOP PREMIER power conditioner and cords will be used for the Bryston not to impede it's performance.

Hense, my question is simply, IN IDENTICAL SYSTEMS, where I have a million dollars and can buy anything I want. When I sit down and LISTEN to the MUSIC.

Putting aside the first watt series by Pass Labs and ALL THE OTHER MANY CONTENDERS. I don't care, I am asking specifically.

Perfectly setup and tweaked. Will the Battery Powered 30.1 outperform the 4B SST2 at an output of 10 watts ?

I know there are compromises and differences and setup protocols and details, I AM SAYING ALL THAT BEING UNDERSTOOD, and accounted for and setup for.

NO EXCUSES

NO HIDING

NO CIRCUMVENTING

NO SAYING A IS BETTER THAN B FOR THIS OR THAT

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AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OTHER AMPS OUT THERE WHICH I DO NOT WANT TO BRING INTO THIS DISCUSSION.

This is a most narrow, laser like focused talk. At 10 Watts, MAXIMUM, most listening happening at 2 Watts.

ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL AND COMPENSATED AND ACCOUNTED FOR. Does the Red Wine Signature 30.2 or the Bryston 4B SST2 deliver the MUSIC ?

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Showing 1 response by chazzbo

Uhhh I am one of least gurus here (ven though I sold Krell,McIntosh etc for 6 years) but this is quite a bizarre comparison.it maybe that Mark above had both in his system but given one puts out rated 225 (more like a 275 watts rms @ 8ohm) and the other puts out 30 think of difference in amps of current.It will depend of course on taste but size of room and speaker rating.Some speakers with high nominal load and efficiency can run off low power AND take large constant power (think of Zu speakers for instance) but most have more constrained range of power needs.Many speakers require 50 watts and can't take more than 150 continuous.So even if you have speaker that could run on Redwine your room and volume needs might be greater.So speakers with good efficiency ratings need gobs of current.The B&W 803N I sold was rated at 90db @ 8ohm nominal.But speaker had nasty impedance curve that required a good 200 watts i medium sized room.Without room and speakers this comparison is useless.Also I don't care if your running of a clean 20 watt deidcated line or the best power conditioner (which will effect sound) it's the amp that will make the bigger difference.
That said Bryston is good,well built amp that delivers without stridency (too analytical) and resolves well enough.It's like the Green Bay Packers type of audiophile gear (I got one for friend Maggie 3.6's).Redwine on other hand from all I have read has great harmonics (all of tubes but of course no tube "bloom").It's battery power is a plus.Everybody seems to love the sound like Dodd Pre-amps getting off the grid is a definite plus not matter your cables.If you can use the Redwine and get volume you need I would go there.But you have to be able to use it without running out of gas.I think "You Never can have too much power" unless you have really power hungry speakers is B.S. if your never going to use it.But like getting a small engined mini van and planing to haul a heavy trailer it won't work well.If you can run the Redwine then compare it to First Watt.If you have to then think about Redwine 70 if you can swing the cost of the Bryston new.But if know your room and speakers definitely will not go above the Redwine 30 and really not need more than 10 watts or 30's burst power then I'd go with it definitely.But what you choose to compare are so different I wonder if you KNOW that that's all you need especially without saying anything about room or speakers used.
Chazz