Record Cleaner Advice?

@antinn 
I would like to share a Update on my Vinyl Cleaning and the immediate impression made from the Vinyl Replays, following my first session cleaning with the Manual Cleaning Method using the Solutions as advised on here by @ antinn.

Firstly,  I was not producing much foam during any stages of the cleaning processes.
Is this a good sign ?.

The PVA Sponge and Microfibre Cloth are excellent for removing the excess moisture and from the Vinyl LP Surface.

My Drying Rack using a Bamboo Bread Slicing Guide, become very usable when I put a Elastic Band on each of the Slotted Side Panels, with the Elastic Band stretched over the Length of the Side Panel positioned about 1/3 up from the Base.
This secured the LP in a reassuring manner. 

My First excursion into the Practice, has supplied me with a few ways to attempt to improve on the LP Handling.
I have ordered in a few extra implements to further the reassurances of handling the Vinyl Lp's.
I will inform on the outcome following the Trial use of the method.   

I deliberately chose to Clean a few Albums owned since my Teens and have had a Tragic Early Life ( when vaguely remembered back on ).
These are owned LP's for approx' 40 Years.

They have been cleaned in the Past on one or two occasions, but the last would have been before 2005.
The method would have been a laid flat LP and dowsed in a Isopropyl>Distilled Water>Detergent Solution Probably at a ratio: 10/85/5,
The amount of detergent is a wild guestimation. 
The Method will have probably been a Paint Brush > Felt Pad > and Course Weave Micro Fibre Cloth.  

I believe this New Method and Solutions used was probably very successful at releasing the caked residuals from my archaic cleaning methods, and quite cabable of releasing any other contamination that was contained in the groove.

The outcome of the Replays,
The Albums between Tracks, had a  Audible Tic and Pop at various loudness across a Side of a Album, to the point where a few Tracks were almost silent.
This alone has been perceived as a vast improvement since the last listening from the Xmas Holiday Period.

Much more noticeable was how inviting the Music Replay was being perceived than when last replayed.
I know during my last time I listened to the Two Albums, my thoughts were leading to the place where they were reaching the end of their usage, as I was becoming concerned for the Stylus being exposed to the Albums condition.

The situation has changed and is a pleasing outcome for the continued use of a Album that has been a part of my life for many years.
There are noises to be heard from the Vinyl when replayed, but the Albums sound very clean and the concerns for the Stylus were not in my mind during the replays.

I will try a Rinse with a Ultrasound Solution to see if a further improvement can be achieved to the audible noise between tracks.     
  

Liqinox and Tergitol are proving quite difficult to source in the UK.

Ilfotol can be sourced, is there any equivalent Substitutes for Liquinox ?

@antinn


 Thank You for your guidance.
I will be putting this to good use.

A Thank You is sent out for all the valuable information offered.

As a result, I have now ordered and started receiving the Items to follow up on the advisories within this thread to start with my Latest Method to Clean my Vinyl Collection.
The Old Method and previous used Solutions are now off the radar. 

I have had a 6L US Tank and a 0.5 RPM Motor awaiting to be put into service for quite a while.
With the New Methods for Cleaning being adopted, I am now intending on using this Tank as the device for the final Cleaning Process, following the Manual Cleaning Recommend Methods.

Will it be a best practice to use the Tank with Distilled Water Only and carry out a Final Rinse,  or will the Dehyphon LS54 be required to be added to produce a rinse solution ? 

Thank You the Updated 2nd Edition.
I will have to try and understand the equations for the Clean Times for immersion in the Tank.

As a simple solution for a Storage Rack, I have purchased a
Collapsible Bamboo Bread Slicing Guide.
From the images it looks good for the Job.
 

I am almost good to go with my changes being made to Vinyl Cleaning.

Before I go off on this activity.
Can my Math for the Mixtures for the Solutions be assessed for the accuracy.

My 'Cleaned Out' Application Bottles are holding 300ml of Distilled Water. (DiW) when filled to about 85% full.

The Dehyphon LS54 has been worked out using Grams as the 'ml' option seemed impossible to achieve.

The Calculation I used gave Water @    300ml x 0.99802 = 299.40g
299.40g @ 0.025% = 0.075g.
I managed to show a reading of 0.09g of Dehyphon in a Pipette when the Tare for used weighing scale with the Pipette was set to 0.00g.

Does this Calculation I produced seem accurate ? , as there is a small quantity of foam already seen with the mixture produced. 

The Concentrate Cleaner from Amazon Proved a lesser challenge as 13ml, seemed almost on the correct mix for 300ml of (DiW) 

Thank You for this reply

I am quite impressed with the Manual Cleaning Method, and will pursue this first.
I do intend on introducing the UCM I own, which is now most likely to be a Final Rinse.

I did miss the information for the 1% Solution - 10ml LS54 per Litre of Distilled Water.
A easier ratio to work with.

I am 90mg of LS54 against the ideal 75mg

Now I have the mixtures that are in keeping with the recommendations,
I will commence with Vinyl Cleaning.
I will start with Vinyl I have owned since the 1980's that has been through Teenage Treatment.
I will offer a few comments on the end product replay that has been experienced.
   
I will be producing a 0.25mg per 5000mL (5 Litre) Distilled Water 
for my UCM when extending the Cleaning to a Final Clean Stage. 

Thank You for this added incite to use the White Distilled Vinegar and the descriptions for the levels of noise being picked up on a 40ish year old LP.
I have the Amazon Recommended Concentrate Cleaner >DIW as the
Pre Clean Solution and Dehyphon >DIW as the Final Rinse Solution.

Will Dehyphon work with the Distilled White Vinegar ?
Is the mix approx 0.025 mg per 300ml or will more be required if Dehyphon is compatible. 

I am keen to put this added stage to use, before considering the
USB Rinse.

Hi @antinn 
                    Thank you for the continued support and tutoring.
The Conversion to (mg) makes my life much simpler as I have invested in a Scale to support with producing the producing the recommended Solutions.

I will need to revisit your Aqueous Download to take confirm my recollections on the use of a Ultrasound with a Rinse Solution.
From recollection the Solution used in a Ultrasound would have to be more the Dehyphon with a increased dilution, producing a different to the Manual Cleaning  Applied Solution.

I live in a Hard Water Area, this produces collections of Lime Scale Deposits on Various surfaces over time.
My Cleaning is carried out with Rinses of DIW.
1, Amazon Solution applied from a Mist Nozzle Bottle,
Goat Hair Brush/ Fine Bristle Cradle Cap Brush. 
1a, Rinse Bruhes
2, DIW applied from a Mist Nozzle Bottle,
Goat Hair Brush
2a, Rinse Brush
3, Dehyphon Solution applied from a Mist Nozzle,
Bottle Goat Hair Brush/ Fine Bristle Cradle Cap Brush.
3a, Rinse Brushes
4  DIW applied from a Mist Nozzle Bottle,
Goat Hair Brush/  Fine Bristle Cradle Cap Brush.
4a, Rinse Brushes.
5, Flush the LP with a Squeeze Bottle applied DIW.

I am considering using a Gardeners Portable Pressured Pump Bottle to produce a powerful flow to mimic a Running Tap.
With a little bit of extra preparation it should be easy to get this bottles water Temperature up to 30ish Degrees Celsius to represent a Luke Warm Water.  
This method can be utilised as a Step 2b, 3b, 5.

I have found Multipack Fine Bristle Cradle Cap Brushes.
I intend on having a Brush set aside for each solution.

I have owned the Goat Hair Brush as a unused Wet Cleaning Brush for many years.
It has been given a chance to assist with cleaning, is it a necessary stage ??
It only adds a Minute to a Process so it is not too inconvenient.

My Implements are starting to arrive for my thoughts on how to improve the Vinyl Handling.
I am keen to try out the methods thought out during the initial cleaning experience undertaken, these have evolved a little in the past days and items were selected for the purpose.
I will update on the reassurances I feel are on offer through utilising the implements.       

As a Update on the evolvement of my Vinyl Handling Practices for the increased assurances of Handling Vinyl during the Aqueous Cleaning Manual Cleaning Guidance.
I will offer a report on my first impressions about a couple of implements I have bought in,  to produce a, 'what is believed to be' improvement on handling the Vinyl.

Firstly, I tried the Lever Operated and Clear Rubber Plunger Push Down Operated Suction Pads on a Ceramic Side Plate that was seemingly having a increased weight over the LP on standby.
As a guestimate 25% heavier than a LP.

Either Implement remained adhered to the Plate for periods of time that extend to more than a Hour and on revisits during this time allowance the Side Dish was picked up using the attached implement, as well as undergoing a few hand rotations.
There were no concerns for the integrity of the attachment.

I then set out to try these on the Vinyl LP .
My initial Set up was quite simple the Centre of the Clear Suction Pad has a obvious colouration difference to the Flexible Flanges.
I placed the Suction Pad on a Table with the Suction Cup Facing Upwards aligned the LPs Spindle hole with the centre of the Suction Pad using the Colour difference to gain a near accurate positioning and then Placed the LP onto the Suction Cup when aligned at this position.
The Lever Suction Cup was then aligned to be near centred and the Suction Cup was set in place.
'Voila' we now have a LP that can be picked up and manoeuvred with Pressure Applied to its surfaces with out too much concern. 
The initial Observations showed that the Lever Suction Pad could draw the Vinyl toward it creating a slight dishing of approx'
 (3 Inch ) Diameter to a Depth of 1.5mm (1/16 Inch).

Disclaimer:
The LP still appears Vulnerable and at the Mercy of the Air Seals, using this as a Handling Method.
Trial and Error Experimentation unwanted LP would give a good idea of the Parameters of usage.
The Lever Operated Suction Cup is a Method I had seen on Youtube, 
but two were used, one on either side of the LP to create the Air Tight Seal. 
The Clear Suction Cup was chosen by myself as it will be utilised on a soon to be built support to further assist with the LP Handling. 

The Two Suction Pads I am using will hold a secure fasten for approximately 10 Minutes, a Dishing can still be seen in the LP.
After about 15 Minutes the Suction Pads have lost their adhesion.

For me this is fine as a outcome,  as my additional Stand being produced will alleviate and concerns about the time a suction is to be maintained.
The Suction Cup with the Handle will be the immediate available one to assist with rotations of the LP, when it is mounted on the Stand.
Resetting the Suction Pump will be a veryu easy operation as well.
My Cleaning Processes per side will not last longer a few minutes at a time, so again the concerns of the useful loss of adhesion after 10 minutes is not causing any concerns.

The Two Lever Hand Suction Pad used as a Pair may exceed the Suction Times I have recorded for my method used.
If this method is picked up on on Youtube, in the manner I discovered the method , then I recommend trial exercises for the handling using a  unwanted Vinyl LP, similar to how I have carried them out.   
        


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@antinn 
               Thank you for the continued support.
I have seen this Device and considered it.
With the Additional Support Device I am to produce for the record,
this type of Label Protector will make producing the LP retainer a little harder to design for.
Materials I have at hand will need to be exchanged.

As some of my HiFi Friends are Long Term Vinyl Enthusiasts, I hope to be able to clean some of their Valued LP's as the Meetings reconvene

Hence the need for myself to have a Handling Device that is reassuringly secure.
I am also Hoping that a Design will evolve to allow me to carry out a Spin
Dry.
That will be on the drawing board when the Support Device is functioning.   

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A update report.
My cleaning operation using the Aqueous Cleaning Manual Method,
has had the use of a Naglene Bottle as suggested to carry out a Rinse Clean Stage.
The Area I reside in has a supply of Hard Water to my property and this was a Water I did not want to use to Rinse Clean my Vinyl LP's.
The Idea of having a Pressurised Water Flushing Stage in the Cleaning Process was a attractor, so I looked into a simple alternative method to achieve a very similar application.
The 'Link' is to a Tool I have chose to add to my already acquired Cleaning Equipment.  

It has a adjustable nozzle that allows for a choice of the dispersal ranging from a Mist Wash > Jet Wash.
The Trigger has a Lock so that the Bottle can be a Standalone Tool and leave hands free to assist with other tasks as the Water is applied to the LP Surface.

When Pumped to a Point that the Plunger is resistant through bottle pressure, the Bottle will release a adequate Powered Jet Pressure to give a satisfying Rinse Clean for a Minute +.
If Maximum Pressure is wanted only for a Rinse Clean Stage, then a couple of Plunger Pumps every 20-30 Seconds will maintain this.

It is a very good addition to the collection of cleaning equipment,
it has the delivery of water that will offer a 'controlled'  forceful flush of Cleaning Solutions.

 The Bottle has been cleaned as per the advice for cleaning any bottle containing cleaning solutions.
It is now containing DIW and is good to go. 

    

The Distilled Vinegar (5% Acid) with a few drops of Dehyphon has now been used as an additional stage for the Manual Cleaning Method as shown in the Aqueous Cleaning Guidance.

The Record Drying Rack now has a Secondry Purpose as it is used to store the Vinyl LP undergoing the 30 Minutes of soak in the Distilled Vinegar.
Due to the suggested Soak Time of 15 - 30 Minutes, I found oit best to prepare Eight LP's to receive the Vinegar Soak.
When the Last LP is placed in the Rack, the first LP is good to go for the next stages of the Manual Cleaning.

The Two Long Term Owned LP's previously referred to has been treated with a Vinegar Soak and follow up cleaning stages.

I will prefer to suggest the Vinegar Soak has been responsible for the improvement to the Surface Noise being heard between tracks, other than the fact the LP's went through two full cleaning operations obver a short timescale.
I say the vinegar is an important stage as a few other long term owned LP's from a similar era, have offered a similar perception of cleaness when replayed following one full cleaning operation.
With a little alteration to the Time required to complete the Cleaning Operations, I will say it is a worthy additional stage to put into the Manual Cleaning Method.

This only leaves me to trial a final rinse in a US Bath to see if there is any further changes to be heard in the Surface Noise.

I used the Spindle Bar and Label Protectors supplied with my US Bath Rotation Motor to handle the LP's this time.
It was an improvement in terms of feeling the mechanical fastening is more trustworthy than a Suction Attachment, as used in the previous handling and cleaning operation.

I am still awaiting parts to be delivered for my other LP Handling Device.
I will report on how this functions when all is up and running.              

@ antinn
Hi Neil 
            Thank You for continued Support.
My 40ish Years Old 'Wish You Were Here' Album has been a excellent cleaning success.
When Listened to at Xmas it was a real concern.
Now I am willing to take it to other systems to use iot for a replay.

The (WDV) requiring less time that I have allocated to the soak is a nice turnout, for the future operations.

I did not inform on the use of the 1.5 Litre (3 Pint) Pressurised Bottle in use.
With a Nozzle set to produce a Funnel of Mist, it is a very nice rinse method and conservative with the amount of water used to flush the surface.
If more impact of the Water as a flush method is preferred                          and Water conservation is not too much of a concern,                            the Nozzle set to a Jet is the tool for this.  
  
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